The Wussification of college students

[garyrc]

1 hour ago, dwilawyer said:

The parents.  

 

Begins and ends there.  

 

Nothing new at all about this generation of college kids, other then they are more informed and have access to more information than ever before. 

 

 

 

College kids and adults range from intellectually lazy to devoted and sometimes brilliant.  All have access to more information, misinformation and disinformation than ever before.  

 

A professor who is a spellbinder can motivate good work from most students.  

 

I was going to invoke the Peter Principle one more time, but the shining example is so obvious that it doesn't require mentioning.  

[oldtimer]

The idea being tossed about is that university professors are all extreme brainwashers of innocent little minds.  That's a boo hoo if I ever heard one.  The fact is that most are simply doing their jobs teaching their specialty and encouraging thought and research.  There are of course a few controversial ones who get all the attention far beyond the confines of their school.   What is missed about this in all of the hoopla and agenda baiting is that the controversial ones cause students and sometimes even townies to actually think about things.  A few controversial profs are better than none, unless of course one's agenda is the brainwashing of students into a conformist mind numbing static and even statist view of the world.  College students are supposed to be mature enough (not fully matured, but enough) to open their minds while using critical thinking skills to evaluate truth, fiction, and theory.  If you believe universities are so harmful, then refuse to pay for your kids tuition, and let them find their own way as under educated waifs.  Don't encourage them to read classic literature either, since it is a waste of time.

 

The larger problem here is one of hypocrisy.  if I had to choose one word to define current times it would be hypocrisy.

 

[jimjimbo]

7 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

Don't encourage them to read classic literature either, since it is a waste of time.

Hier Hier!!

[oldtimer]

3 minutes ago, jimjimbo said:

Hier Hier!!

Michigan was very good to you.

[Max2]

1 hour ago, dwilawyer said:

Boo hoo movements were the basis of how this Country was formed.  

 

Most 3-year-Olds are pretty adept at boo hooing their way into getting their needs met, like being fed when hungry, halting all that is happening around them to use a restroom, etc.

 

The Framers guaranteed that Boo Hoo movements would continue and be protected.  Whether they gain traction or not to the point where they effect change is a completely different story.

 

I have never see a poor me movement, except a lone individual standing on a corner with a sign about something that pertains to them alone.

 

A movement doesn't even have to be about people.  It can be the "poor whales" or the "poor dolphins."

 

One only needs to look into the background of the 26th amendment to see what movements are all about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 You're sure right about 3 year olds, yet we are not dealing with 3 year olds are we?  When you reward for failure, you can count on volunteer failure later,  especially if it requires no labor and there are benefits to it.  A big portion of the country have been conditioned from crutches and prop ups over the many decades and now they think they deserve more and more and more and all FREE.

 

What exactly do you think the biggest joke of the movement is right?   Poor me, I got shot, yet I reserve the right to attack our LEO's and fight them even if Im unarmed and go for their gun.  

 

Poor me, I scored 300 points less on the SAT than another person, yet I am of different race so get accepted, but they don't.

 

Poor me, I have crap credit, yet I still get a home loan at a subbed level because my credit is in the 500range from really poor credit card decisions.

 

All these breaks given to the Boo Hoo's that are perfectly capable, it just makes them lazy and expecting that leads to entitlement.

 

These were are all movements so to speak, whether socially or government driven that have taken hold and are structured and basically a business now, yet have only caused more poverty and more division throughout all the population. 

 

College is like summer camp for the masses of kids, they will grab any concept and run and follow and the more crazy and unrealistic it is, the better. 

 

The Bible and Belt are all but gone, are we better?

 

 

 

[Max2]

3 hours ago, oldtimer said:

So is blaming professors for "warping" minds of people who are already young adults.  Believe it or not, a good school teaches people how to think for themselves, but it still begins with the parents.

 

I would totally agree with you, its only the fringe radicals that are out of touch that really taint the water when it comes to the teachers.   Unfortunately, the fringe is bigger than it should be and it usually involves steering the youth and actually punishing them for a different view of said teacher and especially if the student has a traditional outlook.

[rebuy]

Are they wussified ?

No, Most come out of their school's being Democratic Socialist.

You know who was a Democratic Socialist....

Their teachers, for the most part are Democratic Socialist

so they are taught this is Good.

That is why free speech is squashed and "wrong thinkers" Banned.

Violence is even encouraged and used if things don't go their way.

After all America is Bad and full of White Surpremacist 

even though I haven't met any or seen them walking downtown

in their freshly laundered sheets.

America must be changed, from the Constitution up and

racist must be delt with and violence is acceptable

when dealing with white supremacist and others who do

not go along with the new way we will be doing things in America.

Wussie's? No. Dangerous Radicals...who justify violence

to achieve getting what they want...screw everyone else.

Hitler would be proud of today's Teachers and Students.

Just my opinion...I believe in free speech.

 

 

 

[oldtimer]

Radical, huh?

When npr tweeted this last july, a lot of americans tweeted back to stop this radical socialist crap.  Education is sorely lacking, we need teachers, not a climate of disparaging them.

 

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.

He has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.

He has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pre-tended Offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

He is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized Nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

Nor have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

 

 

Hitler would be proud?  A significant number of americans only wish hitler would be proud.

Believe in free speech, then believe in it for others beside those who agree with you.  

[Max2]

42 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

Radical, huh?

When npr tweeted this last july, a lot of americans tweeted back to stop this radical socialist crap.  Education is sorely lacking, we need teachers, not a climate of disparaging them.

 

WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the Separation.

WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness—That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient Causes; and accordingly all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security. Such has been the patient Sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the Necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The History of the present King of Great-Britain is a History of repeated Injuries and Usurpations, all having in direct Object the Establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid World.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public Good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing Importance, unless suspended in their Operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the Accommodation of large Districts of People, unless those People would relinquish the Right of Representation in the Legislature, a Right inestimable to them, and formidable to Tyrants only.

He has called together Legislative Bodies at Places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the Depository of their public Records, for the sole Purpose of fatiguing them into Compliance with his Measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly Firmness his Invasions on the Rights of the People.

He has refused for a long Time, after such Dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the Dangers of Invasion from without, and Convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the Population of these States; for that Purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their Migrations hither, and raising the Conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the Tenure of their Offices, and the Amount and Payment of their Salaries.

He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of Officers to harrass our People, and eat out their Substance.

He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies, without the consent of our Legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all Parts of the World:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us, in many Cases, of the Benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pre-tended Offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an arbitrary Government and enlarging its Boundaries, so as to render it at once an Example and fit Instrument for introducing the same absolute Rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with Power to legislate for us in all Cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our Seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our Towns, and destroyed the Lives of our People.

He is, at this Time, transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the Works of Death, Desolation, and Tyranny already begun with circumstances of Cruelty and Perfidy, scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous Ages, and totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized Nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the Executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic Insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions we have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble Terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated Injury. A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free People.

Nor have we been wanting in Attentions to our British Brethren. We have warned them from Time to Time of Attempts by their Legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the Circumstances of our Emigration and Settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and Magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the Ties of our common Kindred to disavow these Usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our Connections and Correspondence. They too have been deaf to the Voice of Justice and of Consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the Necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of Mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace, Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World for the Rectitude of our Intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly Publish and Declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, that they are absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political Connection between them and the State of Great-Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which INDEPENDENT STATES may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm Reliance on the Protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

 

 

Hitler would be proud?  A significant number of americans only wish hitler would be proud.

If we could only adhere to it more accurately.

 

 

Well, here is another "movement" even if it is radically idiotic.  Basically self governed Anarchy

 

Another great Professor of the USA

 

 

[oldtimer]

Yeah but we believe in free speech.  It is up to us to separate the wheat from the chaff.

2 minutes ago, Max2 said:

If we could only adhere to it more accurately.

The point was if only we could recognize what it actually is.  People were hostile, saying this is why they should be de-funded.  Morons.

[Zen Traveler]

44 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

Radical, huh?

When npr tweeted this last july, a lot of americans tweeted back to stop this radical socialist crap.  Education is sorely lacking, we need teachers, not a climate of disparaging them.

Ain't this the TRUTH! 

 

3 hours ago, dwilawyer said:

 

4 hours ago, oldtimer said:

So is blaming professors for "warping" minds of people who are already young adults.  Believe it or not, a good school teaches people how to think for themselves, but it still begins with the parents.

The parents.  

 

Begins and ends there.  

 

Nothing new at all about this generation of college kids, other then they are more informed and have access to more information than ever before. 

 

 

 

Yup. We live in the Information Age and I have found out first hand that many of the "older generation,"  still believe in things that are provably not true and some have an antiquated  belief systems...Of course, the adults that continue to learn and debate important topics usually fare better in discussions with the younger generation and everyone can come out more informed and appreciative of opposing views....

 

Honestly, that is the reason I miss the No BS Section so much and especially with so much going on right now. Insofar as any "wussification of college students" is concerned, my guess is their generation will look back at this time in History and realize how screwed up their parents were and wonder what they were thinkin'. 

[Zen Traveler]

11 minutes ago, Max2 said:

Well, here is another "movement" even if it is radically idiotic.  Basically self governed Anarchy

I have tried to follow that group and feel their only strength is that opposing political factions think they have power--I had actually never heard of them and feel their 'movement' is overstated in the whole scheme of things. 

[oldtimer]

But it feeds right into the propaganda machine's agenda.  be afraid.  Be very afraid.

[Zen Traveler]

1 hour ago, rebuy said:

I believe in free speech.

 

 

I do to but feel most of what you said deserves a thoughtful response because if you actually feel that way it seems a second opinion could add to the discussion...That said, gotta admit it would venture into countering your political believes and I don't wish to have this thread closed down. 

[oldtimer]

9 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

that is the reason I miss the No BS Section

A lost cause, much like intelligent discourse.

[Max2]

24 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

Yeah but we believe in free speech.  It is up to us to separate the wheat from the chaff.

The point was if only we could recognize what it actually is.  People were hostile, saying this is why they should be de-funded.  Morons.

 

No I get you, and Im a firm believer in free speech. The problem is many of the past just started these side shows just to honor the fact that we can do them from our freedom. Now we have these  "movements" where we are casting out so called violence only using it to support the cause.  Or we are complaining about racism only to use it to contradict our own effort.

 

Its like no one has a brain or is capable of any basic reasoning

 

Here is another great teacher of a fine college that is no longer because I can't imagine what she was cramming down the student throats.  Its no wonder the kids feel like they have no chance in society and everything is pre=written due to their race.

 

Bitter, bitter, bitter

 

[Zen Traveler]

3 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

But it feeds right into the propaganda machine's agenda.  be afraid.  Be very afraid.

I am. It seems to just drip off the tongue. 

 

5 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

 

15 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

that is the reason I miss the No BS Section

A lost cause, much like intelligent discourse.

 

I agree but really think the deck is stacked against us--Propaganda works! 

[Zen Traveler]

8 minutes ago, Max2 said:

Now we have these  "movements" where we are casting out so called violence only using it to support the cause.  Or we are complaining about racism only to use it to contradict our own effort.

I'm not sure what you are talking about but I agree that racial issues seem to be tearing this country apart along with several other things including the lack of morality in our elected officials. This ain't a Republican or Democrat thing, It should be an American concern! 

[Max2]

14 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

I'm not sure what you are talking about but I agree that racial issues seem to be tearing this country apart along with several other things including the lack of morality in our elected officials. This ain't a Republican or Democrat thing, It should be an American concern! 

Just watch the videos, it defines their hypocrisy.   The videos are painful to watch and hard to get though for for any honest citizen.  Sadly,  these ugly minds are stacked ocean deep on youtube for your viewing.   

[oldtimer]

Hypocrisy, as I stated before, is wide ranging and epidemic.  It is the defining term of American politics today.  There was recently the pro life representative who strongly encouraged his mistress, yes mistress, to get an abortion.  It is everywhere you look.  Keep voting for one of the two controlling private parties, and you will keep getting the same results.