jimjimbo Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Another masterpiece by filmmaker Ken Burns. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincymat Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 1 minute ago, jimjimbo said: Another masterpiece by filmmaker Ken Burns. Agree, I learned a great deal last night. Didn't know the history behind the French and how they literally invaded and took the place for themselves. Guess I wasn't paying attention. Mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I haven't seen that. I did get to watch a little of the new show covering the declassified Kennedy assassination documents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 27 minutes ago, jimjimbo said: Another masterpiece by filmmaker Ken Burns. Yes indeed. I alternated between it and the Falcons/Packers game. Actually I watched most of it and just flipped to the game for the score. 25 minutes ago, cincymat said: Agree, I learned a great deal last night. Didn't know the history behind the French and how they literally invaded and took the place for themselves. I knew a bit about that but learned a ton more from this doc. Bill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 We watched portions of it in class. It was a well designed documentary. The problem with Vietnam - and many historians agree - is that it is a massive undertaking when dealing with historical accuracy. It's virtually impossible to get all of the aspects down too. Some things we may never have the truth on about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Excellent! Interesting that the first 3 quotes from JFK (during the Eisenhower administration) counseled caution in getting involved, and the 4th one seemed to say, something like, "We helped build this mess, so we can't just leave." Toward the end of his administration, in the interview with Cronkite (coming soon on the series, I'm sure) he seemed to show frustration with the South ... "In the last analysis, it's their war." People will never stop debating whether he was considering withdrawing the advisors and arms. 15 minutes ago, The History Kid said: We watched portions of it in class. It was a well designed documentary. The problem with Vietnam - and many historians agree - is that it is a massive undertaking when dealing with historical accuracy. It's virtually impossible to get all of the aspects down too. Some things we may never have the truth on about it. "Truth is the first casualty." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The History Kid Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, garyrc said: "Truth is the first casualty." That is almost undeniably why "history repeats itself." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, The History Kid said: That is almost undeniably why "history repeats itself." That and human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." So let's tear down some more statues. Maybe blow up Mt. Rushmore. Jeesh! Started watching last night-- I'm in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, cincymat said: Agree, I learned a great deal last night. Didn't know the history behind the French and how they literally invaded and took the place for themselves. Guess I wasn't paying attention. Mark As I remember Arthur Schlesinger's little paperback on the subject (read c.1965), the Allies originally got into Vietnam for the natural rubber (during WWII). Ho Chi Mhin was fighting against the Japanese. Later, Truman declined criticizing the French in "Indochina", because he wanted the French to accept the Marshall Plan. As the Burns series made clear last night, Eisenhower believed in the domino theory. Kennedy, too, was under the thrall of the Cold War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMcD Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 This is a hideous horror movie, reporting an even more monstrous, hideous, and horrible reality. WMcD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 19, 2017 6 hours ago, CECAA850 said: I haven't seen that. I did get to watch a little of the new show covering the declassified Kennedy assassination documents. Where was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 19, 2017 24 minutes ago, WMcD said: This is a hideous horror movie, reporting an even more monstrous, hideous, and horrible reality. WMcD Which is always good if you don't want to repeat it. Very interesting first night. Views from US policy makers, soldiers on both sides, Vietnam Minh, South Vietnam, pretty balanced thus far. You can stream unedited version on PBS which I liked better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 19, 2017 50 minutes ago, WMcD said: This is a hideous horror movie, reporting an even more monstrous, hideous, and horrible reality. WMcD Which is always good if you don't want to repeat it. Very interesting first night. Views from US policy makers, soldiers on both sides, Vietnam Minh, South Vietnam, pretty balanced thus far. You can stream unedited version on PBS which I liked better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 19, 2017 Moderators Share Posted September 19, 2017 I had this from a few years ago, one perspective if you want to dig deeper into the post WWII to 50s Era of Indochina. Vietnam_1947-1954.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 7 hours ago, dwilawyer said: Where was that? The History Channel. I think it's a 6 episode series called JFK Declassified or something close to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 11 hours ago, babadono said: "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." So let's tear down some more statues. Maybe blow up Mt. Rushmore. Jeesh! Started watching last night-- I'm in. I caught part of it last night as well. How would you like to be a SV resident then? You had it coming from all angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I had no idea how complex this issue was. Getting this information and sorting it out is an issue in itself. JJK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 49 minutes ago, JJkizak said: I had no idea how complex this issue was. Getting this information and sorting it out is an issue in itself. JJK I was 7 years old in '64. I had no idea of the complexity of what was going on rather it was just a war somewhere. I was terrified it would still be going on when I turned 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 I was extremely Blessed in this life that the year I turned 18 the draft was ended. Otherwise I would have had a no win decision to make, go to Canada or Vietnam. God Bless all you men who were forced to go there and thank you for your service and sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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