wvu80 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 37 minutes ago, mlalla said: Let me know if you experience this with your 3070. Sometimes when I turn it on the receiver, no sound comes out. Then you will see an on-screen display pops up and says "switching to external speakers" And then I have sound. It's like the amp is shut off internally or something. It doesn't happen all the time. You might check over on AVSforums.com. There are 1200 posts on the 3070. I didn't read the thread but maybe somebody over there has some experience with the problem you describe. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2831721-yamaha-rx-a3070-a2070-a1070-aventage-owners-thread.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlalla Posted November 9, 2017 Author Share Posted November 9, 2017 10 hours ago, wvu80 said: You might check over on AVSforums.com. There are 1200 posts on the 3070. I didn't read the thread but maybe somebody over there has some experience with the problem you describe. http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2831721-yamaha-rx-a3070-a2070-a1070-aventage-owners-thread.html Thank you, Sir. I will head over and do some investigating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkevind Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 11 hours ago, mlalla said: bkevind, Let me know if you experience this with your 3070. Sometimes when I turn it on the receiver, no sound comes out of the speakers. Then you will see an on-screen display pops up and says "switching audio to external speakers" And then I have sound. It's like the amp is shut off internally or something. It doesn't happen all the time. I'm using a Logitech Harmony remote to turn on all of my equipment and to do the switching to the correct inputs and outputs. When the sound doesn't come on I will just shut everything off and start over. That usually fixes the problem and when you will see the onscreen display says switching audio to external speakers. Has anyone else experienced this issue or know how to fix it without having to reboot the unit? I have not seen that. Seems a bit odd. This almost seems like it's coming from your TV or source. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlalla Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Allegedly it has something to do with to handoffs and HDMI. I need to program delays into my Harmony remote when starting the AVR and the TV. I haven't been able to set the delays correctly with my remote control. Still working on this. My four RP-280FAS and my 15" sub will be arriving today. I already have my center channel. Cant wait, i'll have to figure out how i want to connect my speaker's. There seems to be a few options on the 3070. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkevind Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 1 hour ago, mlalla said: Allegedly it has something to do with to handoffs and HDMI. I need to program delays into my Harmony remote when starting the AVR and the TV. I haven't been able to set the delays correctly with my remote control. Still working on this. My four RP-280FAS and my 15" sub will be arriving today. I already have my center channel. Cant wait, i'll have to figure out how i want to connect my speaker's. There seems to be a few options on the 3070. Ah I suffer old school with many remotes I'm sure it's worth it once you get the issues sorted out. Woohoo, I'd be excited. I thought about the RP-280. Seems like a great speaker. I'd probably start with the atmos modules in Front Height and Rear height and see how you like it. Side surrounds for the rear 280 if you can place them there. I'd probably experiment with surround backs vs side surround config. For a while I enjoyed surround backs only with a front height configured, it worked pretty well for my ears. But I don't have a good place to put side surrounds, so I had to like it haha. I'm using ceiling speakers for FH, SS, and RH now. Not ideal but I'm enjoying it. When you run YPAO, the height and angle measurement is not enabled by default (nor is multi-position measurement) so you'll need to enable those if you want. I also find it to be optimistic for my setup, it set my CDT-5800 ii to large. Thankfully after running and saving the config, it's easy enough to adjust to small and set the crossover to 80. Most of the time I have everything crossed at 80, the sub just does a better job. The distances and heights were fairly accurate for me, I did not adjust them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlalla Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 I'm definitely going to hook up the elevation speakers to the front and rear presence inputs. And I will have to check out the surround backs or surround sides and placement of the rear speakers. My wife is already pissed, I've spent a small fortune and I'm rearranging the living room. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 13 minutes ago, mlalla said: My wife is already pissed, I've spent a small fortune and I'm rearranging the living room. . Dear lord, your poor wife! Rearranging the living room? You animal! What's next, large high quality speakers in the living room??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlalla Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Bahahaha I just received my R115 SW. This thing is a beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlalla Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 7 hours ago, bkevind said: Ah I suffer old school with many remotes I'm sure it's worth it once you get the issues sorted out. Woohoo, I'd be excited. I thought about the RP-280. Seems like a great speaker. I'd probably start with the atmos modules in Front Height and Rear height and see how you like it. Side surrounds for the rear 280 if you can place them there. I'd probably experiment with surround backs vs side surround config. For a while I enjoyed surround backs only with a front height configured, it worked pretty well for my ears. But I don't have a good place to put side surrounds, so I had to like it haha. I'm using ceiling speakers for FH, SS, and RH now. Not ideal but I'm enjoying it. When you run YPAO, the height and angle measurement is not enabled by default (nor is multi-position measurement) so you'll need to enable those if you want. I also find it to be optimistic for my setup, it set my CDT-5800 ii to large. Thankfully after running and saving the config, it's easy enough to adjust to small and set the crossover to 80. Most of the time I have everything crossed at 80, the sub just does a better job. The distances and heights were fairly accurate for me, I did not adjust them. I'm having another issue with my 3070. I have set up the speaker calibration with the YPAO and after the measurements, the sound isn't very loud. I literary have to crank the volume way up almost max before it gets loud. It must have something to do with the room size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, mlalla said: I'm having another issue with my 3070. I have set up the speaker calibration with the YPAO and after the measurements, the sound isn't very loud. I literary have to crank the volume way up almost max before it gets loud. It must have something to do with the room size? Would run it again and read the results and relisten. sometimes a mic picks up other un-needed sounds. Position the mic according to directions, of course. System I used with a Marantz had me position mic in my prime listening spot. Other will help sort.in case of my error of advise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 5 minutes ago, billybob said: Would run it again and read the results and relisten. sometimes a mic picks up other un-needed sounds. Position the mic according to directions, of course. System I used with a Marantz had me position mic in my prime listening spot. Other will help sort.in case of my error of advise. Oh and make sure you watch the volume and go through a couple of the DSP presets. Alright... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlalla Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 I've run it a couple of times already. At this point, I'm still using my old fronts and surrounds. My RP-280FA's won't be here until tomorrow. So, once I get all of my new speakers I will re-run YPAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 22 minutes ago, mlalla said: I've run it a couple of times already. At this point, I'm still using my old fronts and surrounds. My RP-280FA's won't be here until tomorrow. So, once I get all of my new speakers I will re-run YPAO. Superb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, mlalla said: I'm having another issue with my 3070. I have set up the speaker calibration with the YPAO and after the measurements, the sound isn't very loud. I literary have to crank the volume way up almost max before it gets loud. It must have something to do with the room size? If you are coming from the Old School where turning anything up past halfway was too loud, then welcome to the world of the modern AVR. Turning it up to 70 to get any kind of sound is the new normal, believe it or not. I have Marantz and a Onkyo AVR's and they are both that way. If you try to play anything at 45 it's barely audible. I think that is because Audyssey (YPAO for your Yammie) balances the sound relative to Reference, which is usually 82. 72 is 10 db down from reference level. It's normal, nothing wrong with the AVR, nothing wrong with the room. If you play it at normal listening levels from 65-75 then everything is exactly right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkevind Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 hours ago, mlalla said: I'm having another issue with my 3070. I have set up the speaker calibration with the YPAO and after the measurements, the sound isn't very loud. I literary have to crank the volume way up almost max before it gets loud. It must have something to do with the room size? That's a bit crazy. For all of my Yamahas (3070, 860 and 760) the starting volume is set to -40, and that's generally good for listening/watching in a quiet room at a low volume. For a bit more, depending on the source level, -30 is good for modest levels, and -20 it starts getting pretty darn loud (again depending on the source). When I want to rattle things I go higher. If you're setting it to near max (which is by default +16.5) there is definitely something wrong. Is it the same without YPAO involved? What is your source? Does it have it's own gain setting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, bkevind said: For all of my Yamahas (3070, 860 and 760) the starting volume is set to -40, and that's generally good for listening/watching in a quiet room at a low volume. For a bit more, depending on the source level, -30 is good for modest levels, and -20 it starts getting pretty darn loud We are still talking about the same thing. In one case (mine) the numbers are set to Reference, so 82 is reference level. I think it's called an Absolute scale. On yours, your numbers are relative to reference, so 0 would be darn loud (same as my 82) and -30 is 30 db down from 82, so 52 to me. That is a comfortable level. You should be able to choose the scale you want to use in the Setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkevind Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, wvu80 said: We are still talking about the same thing. In one case (mine) the numbers are set to Reference, so 82 is reference level. I think it's called an Absolute scale. On yours, your numbers are relative to reference, so 0 would be darn loud (same as my 82) and -30 is 30 db down from 82, so 52 to me. That is a comfortable level. You should be able to choose the scale you want to use in the Setup. Yeah true, different receivers use different way to display the volume level, I wasn't referring to your numbers per se, but the defaults of the Yamaha 0 should be pretty much deafening on the default Yamaha scale. With my previous speakers the wife and I got deep in the wine one recent evening and revisited the music of our youth at deafening volumes We were between -10 and +10 for a good while. It was more or less concert loud, we had to shout to hear each other. In the neighborhood of 110db, but then I don't have a nice SPL meter. The fun stopped when my Outlaw 5000 decided it needed to go into protection mode haha after a few hours of that. My ears rang for a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, bkevind said: The fun stopped when my Outlaw 5000 decided it needed to go into protection mode haha after a few hours of that. My ears rang for a few days. LOL! I have a feeling more than a few of us know exactly what you're talking about! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkevind Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 @mlalla Any updates on the low output issue? Didja get your fancy new speakers yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonStrong Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 @mlalla The RP-280 system is $3,143 from Klipsch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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