Speedy6963 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Schu said: I am wondering if OP is sitting very near or on axis. sitting 18 feet away in room about 20x30 feet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy6963 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 15 hours ago, jjptkd said: I've noticed historically similar issues when playing my Chorus II's at louder than normal volumes. What I have done in the past is point the speakers straight forward if I'm planning on "energizing" the whole room with loud music, less "in your face" brightness, otherwise at normal, lower listening levels I have the speakers aimed right at me in the listening position. I wouldn't give up yet on them, lots of things to try to get this sorted out. Congrats by the way on the new speakers! Im not giving up on them, I see it as a challenge ! I will fix the crossover to make them flatter and have less of that Klipsch in your face curve :-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy6963 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 I have removed the crossover and drawn out the schematic, as suspected there is a lot of attenuation on the mid , but no attenuation on the tweeter in the crossover. Woofer is crossed at 18db/octave, mid is 12db/octave and tweeter is also 18db/octave . Inductor values might not be correct, meter is junk.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzog Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Before changing the crossovers, have you placed them on the ground like they were intended? Having them on those blocks will destroy your bass response and change the balance of the speaker. The tweeter may be a bit hot because of the fact that they are a lower than ear height when positioned as intended. Perhaps lifting that tweeter up higher is causing the highs to be too much. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy6963 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Grizzog said: Before changing the crossovers, have you placed them on the ground like they were intended? Having them on those blocks will destroy your bass response and change the balance of the speaker. The tweeter may be a bit hot because of the fact that they are a lower than ear height when positioned as intended. Perhaps lifting that tweeter up higher is causing the highs to be too much. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk had them up, had them down, its not room or other gear since all other speakers are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter P. Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Speedy6963 said: No eq on this setup, 1970's pioneer turntable, pioneer reel to reel and then a 845 single ended triode amp. Buy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy6963 Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Peter P. said: Buy one. I own multiple eq's and am not using one on this system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK Thom Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Very interesting thread, and the first time I’ve heard of L Pads. A spark went off in my ever aging brain and I remembered the Outboard eq that came with a pair of EV Interface series speakers I had back in the early 80s. I assume that was what this was? Is it possible to fabricate something along these lines for Klipsch speakers? I’m not a techie by any stretch, just curious. https://goo.gl/images/H1UqoN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Thanks for the capacitor and resistor values. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 hours ago, wdecho said: Or with just 2 resistors. It will take some trial and error with resistors but many consider just resistors as best. You can buy an L-pad, adjust the L-pad for the attenuation desired, and then measure the L-pad to determine the resistance needed for using resistors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 5 hours ago, Speedy6963 said: I own multiple eq's and am not using one on this system I think was @Peter P. was suggesting that you introduce the equalizer as an experiment, the same way you used fiberfil in the tweeter. +++ If you think about it Speedy, could you take some more pics of the XO and the drivers? The mid driver with the cooling fins almost looks like the EV DH1506. (the other CD is from my CF-4, the K-63) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, Deang said: Thanks for the capacitor and resistor values. I think I hear some brain waves stirring. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, willland said: 30 minutes ago, Deang said: Thanks for the capacitor and resistor values. I think I hear some brain waves stirring. That sound you hear is more likely the sound of @Chief bonehead's head exploding as people continue to think they can improve on his brand-new design. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Speedy6963 said: No eq on this setup, 1970's pioneer turntable, pioneer reel to reel and then a 845 single ended triode amp. I have MANY speakers from heresy's to cornwalls and Khorns and new onkyo's https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/model.php?m=D-77NE&class=Speaker and ascend sierra 2 http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM2/srm2.html and KEF Q100 and KEF Q350 and KEF R900 and VINTAGE pioneer HPM100's and pioneer DSS-7 ( berylium tweeter, boron mid's ) and more.... Only speakers to ever fatigue my ears this way are these Forte III and my Klipsch Horns when new ( I have since completely change the horns and crossover and no more problem ) From experience with much different hardware any hump in the response in the 7k-10k area can make speakers fatiguing ... I just hooked up the sierra 2's next to the forte's and they sound great ! But they dont get very loud with the 15 watts that are available ( only 86db eff. ) This photo makes me chuckle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 37 minutes ago, willland said: I think I hear some brain waves stirring. Bill My brain only does standing waves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 52 minutes ago, wvu80 said: 59 minutes ago, willland said: 1 hour ago, Deang said: Thanks for the capacitor and resistor values. I think I hear some brain waves stirring. That sound you hear is more likely the sound of @Chief bonehead's head exploding as people continue to think they can improve on his brand-new design. It's all about the bucks and reputation....Possibly they will start a new forum where members can hash th3se things out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, wvu80 said: I think was @Peter P. was suggesting that you introduce the equalizer as an experiment, the same way you used fiberfil in the tweeter. +++ If you think about it Speedy, could you take some more pics of the XO and the drivers? The mid driver with the cooling fins almost looks like the EV DH1506. (the other CD is from my CF-4, the K-63) Agree, would love to see some close ups of the mid horn and driver myself, looks a lot like the RF-7 II driver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 My reputation may be shaky, and we're not exactly starving over here -- so I think I can make it without molesting Forte III networks. The comment was tongue in cheek. Yeesh. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Deang said: My reputation may be shaky,...(snip!) I see 1143 reputation points. Now 1144 including mine just now. Who loves ya, baby? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Thanks, lol. :-) 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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