Moderators Travis In Austin Posted January 7, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, dirtmudd said: if weren't for those speaker's... you would not have what you have today....and these sound terrible.. don't think so.... just like are beloved klipsch.... setup and proper components.. make them work the best.... now your going to tell me... that osb board , is better than plywood...and plywood is better the hardwood... go back in time....compare speakers back than....its hifi ....hifi is a relatively term in audio... it's only when you can't tell the difference ... between a live event and recording...that's hifi ..... Again, they go from 90 Hz to 6K. If that range satisfies your needs than you are golden. If you also subscribe to the notion of "single point" stereo you will even be happier. I enjoyed listening to them, it was a unique and memorable experience. Just like I enjoy listening to old 78s on hand crank phonographs with steel needles. It is nostalgic and shows how far we have come. Hi Fidelity or Wi-Fi is a term used by Home listeners. It is indeed a relative term, that is why PWK continually upgraded and updated all of his products including the Khorn. When you said it was the first hi fi speaker I thought you were inferring that it was used in home and purchased for that purpose when made. I don't think people got the idea to stick them in their homes until maybe the 60s or 70s, when they were being torn out of theaters. ADD, if you have a great piece of music that is between about 100 Hz and 5K, and you don't care about stereo image, they sound incredible. Travis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tigerwoodKhorns Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 One point that has not been brought up. I sold a pair of B&W DM3000's that I restored and regret it. Beautiful midrange, smooth highs and they kind of glossed over bad recordings. Think of JBL L100's but much better speakers (leaps and bounds ahead). If your "one last pair" of speakers makes bad recordings sound really bad, can you really live with them forever? I have some other JBL's that I use for noisy records and bad stuff. They are very useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axz Hout Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 2:20 PM, tigerwoodKhorns said: If your "one last pair" of speakers makes bad recordings sound really bad, can you really live with them forever? d 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, dwilawyer said: Again, they go from 90 Hz to 6K. If that range satisfies your needs than you are golden. If you also subscribe to the notion of "single point" stereo you will even be happier. I enjoyed listening to them, it was a unique and memorable experience. Just like I enjoy listening to old 78s on hand crank phonographs with steel needles. It is nostalgic and shows how far we have come. Hi Fidelity or Wi-Fi is a term used by Home listeners. It is indeed a relative term, that is why PWK continually upgraded and updated all of his products including the Khorn. When you said it was the first hi fi speaker I thought you were inferring that it was used in home and purchased for that purpose when made. I don't think people got the idea to stick them in their homes until maybe the 60s or 70s, when they were being torn out of theaters. ADD, if you have a great piece of music that is between about 100 Hz and 5K, and you don't care about stereo image, they sound incredible. Travis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vasubandu Posted January 7, 2018 Author Share Posted January 7, 2018 I just have to say that I never expected the response to this, and I certainly never expected to learn so much from it. This has been an amazing less in history as well as speakers. Thanks to all of you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 44 minutes ago, vasubandu said: I just have to say that I never expected the response to this, and I certainly never expected to learn so much from it. This has been an amazing less in history as well as speakers. Thanks to all of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vasubandu Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 hEY @dirtmudd that was a real treat. I guess we all are in a position of constantly learning. Amazing, 1935. Makes me wonder how much of current speaker design is based on constraints and how much is quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted January 8, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 8, 2018 The opening page of that last video, the Museum has one of those speakers and the multi cell horn on top, I looked I don't have a picture of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted January 8, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, vasubandu said: I guess we all are in a position of constantly learning. Anyone who thinks they have little to learn about all this stuff is only fooling themselves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gottajam Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 These (P38) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 the evolution of audio....most speaker designs..we're made by the mid 30s..... https://www.voices.com/resources/articles/audio-recording-technology/history-of-the-loudspeaker.. only technology made them cheaper to build... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Looks like price or rarity aren't a limit here. Vote for KP-600's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerwoodKhorns Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 22 hours ago, mach-1 said: Who listens to bad recordings? Life is to short as it is. Seriously? This is a joke, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted January 8, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 8, 2018 1 hour ago, dirtmudd said: the evolution of audio....most speaker designs..we're made by the mid 30s..... https://www.voices.com/resources/articles/audio-recording-technology/history-of-the-loudspeaker.. only technology made them cheaper to build... Have not read the article yet, but if you look at Horn and driver or a pape cone speaker in an enclosurer, then yeah they are all the same. If you look at sensitivity, frequency response and distortion, nothing is the same. Interesting to see how the article glosses over patents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: Have not read the article yet, but if you look at Horn and driver or a pape cone speaker in an enclosurer, then yeah they are all the same. If you look at sensitivity, frequency response and distortion, nothing is the same. Interesting to see how the article glosses over patents. I had one site bookmark...but lost over time....but gave more details.. on the evolution .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted January 8, 2018 Moderators Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 hours ago, dirtmudd said: the evolution of audio....most speaker designs..we're made by the mid 30s..... https://www.voices.com/resources/articles/audio-recording-technology/history-of-the-loudspeaker.. only technology made them cheaper to build... I didn't see the part where it said most speaker designs were made by 1930 and technology only made them cheaper. I did see this: "A system was even mounted at the 1939 New York World’s Fair, this one designed by Rudy Bozak, who worked for Cinaudagraph." The Museum had one of the drivers from this system plus literature about the system and driver. I also saw this last sentence: "Since then [1955] there have been many improvements to both sound quality and strength, which is why loudspeakers are still in use today." Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtmudd Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: I didn't see the part where it said most speaker designs were made by 1930 and technology only made them cheaper. I did see this: "A system was even mounted at the 1939 New York World’s Fair, this one designed by Rudy Bozak, who worked for Cinaudagraph." The Museum had one of the drivers from this system plus literature about the system and driver. I also saw this last sentence: "Since then [1955] there have been many improvements to both sound quality and strength, which is why loudspeakers are still in use today." Really? almost sounds like a bose commercial.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axz Hout Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 1:34 PM, tigerwoodKhorns said: Seriously? This is a joke, right? N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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