51coronet Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I have a pair of vintage La Scalas hooked up to a Yamaha rx-v683. If I go from playing music loud to wanting a mellow sound in the house I end up lowering the volume multiple times. Its as if the loudness crawls back up a bit after a few minutes of lowering the volume. Is this my ears adjusting? Inherent with La Scalas? Inherent with the amp? I did have other speakers hooked up to the amp and never noticed this before until the la scalas were hooked up. All crossover caps have been replaced on both la scalas fyi. I got these used recently and replaced the caps before hooking them up. Has anyone else noticed this with their system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I have no idea. It cannot be the speakers. It is likely your brain/ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 IMO, efficient horn loaded speakers sound excellent at any volume. I too have experienced the same phenomenon with all Klipsch heritage speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACV92 Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 I agree with Diz. Was just doing that last night. I turned it down to -50, listened for a bit, felt like it was still to loud for late evening, finally ended up at -60 after a couple of other downward bumps. Diz hit the nail on the head with efficiency and I'm not running Heritage, just some old 5.5's. I don't think there's anything wrong with your setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Let your amplifier warm up for 30 minutes before you turn on any music and then see what happens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Does your receiver have some sort of loudness control or similar? Look into it's menu and if it does turn it off. *edit* I looked at your receivers info. It has YPAO Volume as a feature. In guessing it's set to on? If so, turn it off. You're welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51coronet Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 4 hours ago, wuzzzer said: Does your receiver have some sort of loudness control or similar? Look into it's menu and if it does turn it off. *edit* I looked at your receivers info. It has YPAO Volume as a feature. In guessing it's set to on? If so, turn it off. You're welcome. Interesting!! I do have it on. I stream a lot from youtube. YPAO on brings more of the music into the room versus inside the speakers at low volumes. I will play with it more when low volume listening is on the agenda. I will add that all of the music sounds much better with the setting on, warmer richer, fuller. Thanks for pointing it out. This receiver is new to me and has lots of bells/whistles I am still learning about. So far I like it. Remote takes getting used to (very cluttered). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 This might just be my preference but I always turn off all the automatic processing and extras like that. Direct and Pure Direct sounds a lot better to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 ^ I agree when using an avr. OP... Do you need to do it multiple times during a listening session, or do only have to do it once after a period of listening when you think fatigue is setting in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It is possible that with the cap change in the crossover that the mids are now too hot. After a while, fatigue sets in, you turn the volume down. Then it is actually worse, due to the f-m curve. The bass and treble are now even less prominent. Perhaps the ypao is adjusting for it. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Ears adjusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 49 minutes ago, pzannucci said: Ears adjusting. Exactly. A difference is the clarity of efficient low distortion horn-loaded speakers allows one to hear all the details at lower volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted February 20, 2018 Moderators Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 hours ago, DizRotus said: 6 hours ago, pzannucci said: Ears adjusting. Exactly. A difference is the clarity of efficient low distortion horn-loaded speakers allows one to hear all the details at lower volume. Your ears/brain adjust. Anytime I listen loud for even a few minutes then turn it back to what I think is normal and leave the room. When you come back it still seems louder that you thought you left it.. It will keep happening until you get where you normally listen. It happens to me often because I normally do not look at the number but just turn the knob to it get's where I want it. I tried it by the numbers just to see, lets say I like at -25 then listen loud for just one song, -25 then sounds very low at first, lower than normal. Hate when my brain plays tricks on me, but it knows how easy it is to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubo Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Ears, and turn the loudness control on a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyBob Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 same as creeping the volume up to keep the "loud" feeling yes, our ears adjust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 Who’s the gremlin who cranks up the volume volume in the car while I’m in the store buying IPAs? As soon as the car starts, I get blasted, without even opening an IPA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyBob Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 ambient sound levels do come into play, also... and noticing how loud the music is when you walk outside the house HaHaHa...It doesn't seem that "much" indoors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 When playing good speakers, with good bass output, loudly, the bass can be heard from outside the space. The cue to the outsider is that loud music is playing inside for the bass to be perceived so strongly outside. Upon entering the space, loud music from efficient low distortion horn-loaded speakers doesn’t seem as loud, or too loud, when you hear the entire spectrum. Contrast that to the “bass” pounding van at the intersection. If you were foolish enough to get in the van, the distorted sound would be unpleasantly loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillyBob Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 I am anxious to see/hear the difference with a fully horn loaded set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted February 22, 2018 Share Posted February 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, DizRotus said: When playing good speakers, with good bass output, loudly, the bass can be heard from outside the space. The cue to the outsider is that loud music is playing inside for the bass to be perceived so strongly outside. Upon entering the space, loud music from efficient low distortion horn-loaded speakers doesn’t seem as loud, or too loud, when you hear the entire spectrum. Contrast that to the “bass” pounding van at the intersection. If you were foolish enough to get in the van, the distorted sound would be unpleasantly loud. With some of those bass pounding van systems, you don't have to get in to hear some serious distortion, you can hear it from 3 lanes away. It makes one wonder if they realize how nasty that sounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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