The Dude Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Since you have now tried both the Faital horns and Elliptrac 400s. What are your thoughts comparing the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 The eliptrac is the clear winner. I love the HF140 but hate that its 1.4". There are so many good 2" drivers. The eliptrac provides access to them and sounds great... no ringing ect. The Faital is a tour de force... esp when paired with the HF140. Im winning about my lost .6" but you get the idea. If offered a Faital horn and driver combo... I wouldnt pass it up but to make it look right you need a CNC or be a better wood worker than I. The Eliptrac is a rectangle and easy to cut. From a sonic stand point I give the Eliptrac a solid 94 out of 100. If I didn't have to install it... 97/100. The Faital is a 87/100... if not having to install. 93/100... Better than any other stock horn Ive heard... Big JBLs included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmjm Posted April 17, 2018 Share Posted April 17, 2018 I’ll second that on the faital horns. mine have a screw on adapter to use my a55g’s & the soundstage is incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 So, she is all buttoned up and voiced. Ill need to swap out one cable inside on the HF but other than that, she is good to go. A few take aways... man did I ever go over the top on fasteners... No crews... all bolts... not cheap but works. The back panel maybe have. tad too many. This is the 1st time crossing so high @ 800hz. its a 2nd order AP12-800. The bass is unreal... pounds even more than more other efforts and in a smaller package too. Think sub is being used but no sub. The HF is a tad hot. I have it set at -11db. Trying -10db was way too hot and -12bd seem vailed and the horn behind the LF. Now at -11db, its hot, but with the use of tone controls to pull the treble down Im set. In a lot of ways, Id say the voicing is more familiar to a JBL to the modified klipsch we've all known. I know I could have crossed lower given what the driver could do but the horn seems to prefer an 800hz crossover point. I wish I could A/B then and hear. Getting everting buttoned up and wired in place, Im not sure Id mess with testing as everyone is pinned down so well. I put the blue speakers in the corners to replace my stock sized rosewood cornscalas. The wife is happy with the color, size and sound, so I have a winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, justinsweber said: So, she is all buttoned up and voiced. Man, those sound great! And that's just from looking at the pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parlophone1 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Very nice looking. How are a pair of these comparing to CornScala D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricktate Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Very nice ,,,I wonder what they would look like with lambs wool cloth ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmjm Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 looks great. I like the extra braces across the back for the rear panel to attach to. no insulation inside? what about adding a resistor to the hf to tame it a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Its a 2way. It would tamp down the mid too. I do plan to ask Al his thoughts. Im loving it, but needs a treble turned down :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1974 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Its a 2way. It would tamp down the mid too. I do plan to ask Al his thoughts. Im loving it, but needs a treble turned down :-).Amazing brother, well done Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Did some extended listening after some napkin math... Turned the mids to -13 (15, -2). Muchhhhhhhhhhh better. I can't say it beats my Eliptracs with the BMS 4592 but darn close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Is the rear panel gasketed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Justin I am curious to know why you adopt crossovers to a specific situation rather than use a DSP which as I understand it will work with all situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 A utterly profound hatred of DSP. I like my crossovers passive ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, justinsweber said: A utterly profound hatred of DSP. I like my crossovers passive ;-). --- I like you more each day --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 I tried mini DSP many moons ago with active subs... turning on a linear power supply for the DSPs, then the subs... way too much effort and constantly fiddling. Passives are not perfect but once set they are done. Room correction is a similar trap. Fantastic possibilities, but there is always the desire to mess with it. Additionally, I find that DSPs, and room correction can suck the life form the music. I can accept less perfect sound, but not lifeless sound. That said, I realize its a choice for others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 It is surprising how many variations there are to get to the end goal of quality sound. What about time alignment and how valid do you think it is and how would you do this with a one plane motorboard and differing driver depths? Or with say a folded horn compared to a tweeter in the same cabinet with the tweeter to the front and the woofer towards the back + additional sound wave travel distance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 Time allignment is generally handled with steep crossover slopes. I am only using a 12db so I can't test to that here. One of my fav sounds was a AP12-500, ES5800 combo. Full bass and great imaging. What I find so curious about this pair is just how deep and present the bass is. The 15C really is a wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinsweber Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 I had a bit of an epiphany today. I was still tuning the speakers... the HF was killing me still. I then touched the cab and realized that the 2 back braces were recessed 1/16". I had designed this, such that they would get 1/16" cork. I went and cut multiple strips 2" wide and glued them into place. I cut the holes for the bolt out and bolted everything in. I also included 1" black oxide washers to all 12 1/4-20 bolts. The Squawker is set for 15, -1=14db padding. The sound is fantastic... not fiddling... its done. God does tuning and the little details matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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