jwc Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Claude. Show us a picture of these Carvers in your room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK Thom Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 This peaked my curiosity and I have looked up the carver speakers. Interesting design and one I’d very much like to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, jwc said: Claude. Show us a picture of these Carvers in your room. The ribbons are 6 feet apart with my sweet spot 8 feet away, in front of another identical pair you can't see. They are currently in the "Research and Development Room" along with with Chorus II's, KP 250's, Heresy 1's, Peavy FH-1's, OB woofer sections, K-402's with TAD's, Community drivers, 4 peavey horns, about 2 dozen raw drivers in the other room. The 60 inch Ribbons are on the inside and take care of 120-20,000 Hz., while the 4x12" Open baffle, high Q woofers are behind the grille (8 total) handling the duties from 18-120 Hz. It's a truly AMAZING Two Way speaker..............BUT it takes 13-17 dbWatts more power than Klipsch at it's low efficiency 87 db SPL for 1 WAtt input, but it will handle a kilowatt if you crank it, although it won't get STUPID loud like the Danleys at that power level. I use the Yamaha pre pro's YPAO EQ (one mike reading only on top of leather chair) and it's ready to rock. Without it, there is too much low bass, believe it or not. Diana Krall's voice sounds like it's coming from the back wall, out of the blue cloth when listening. The 3D effect is unreal and pianos are very real sounding, as are drums. The transient response is horn-quick IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK Thom Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 10:02 AM, Deang said: Easy to do with a set of small monitors on good stands, and pulled away from the corners and walls. Use a sub or two to fill in the bottom. I use Klipsch because I like the dynamics/realism. The more real is sounds, the less I care about imaging. However, I have a very good phantom center with the LaScalas, though it does lack depth of field at low volumes -- easily overcome with a little more volume. Getting the imaging produced from small monitors (like BBC's Rogers, Spendor, etc. with KEF drivers) is a poor TRADE-OFF if you give up the DYNAMICS of REALISM provided by Klipsch speakers and other good horn designs. My latest acquisitions/experiments with Carver Amazing speakers with Hypex Amplifiers gives me extreme 3D Imaging but gives up NOTHING in the realism department. Like I said before, good audio is all about the best ILLUSION, no matter how you do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 24 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Getting the imaging produced from small monitors (like BBC's Rogers, Spendor, etc. with KEF drivers) is a poor TRADE-OFF if you give up the DYNAMICS of REALISM provided by Klipsch speakers and other good horn designs. My latest acquisitions/experiments with Carver Amazing speakers with Hypex Amplifiers gives me extreme 3D Imaging but gives up NOTHING in the realism department. Like I said before, good audio is all about the best ILLUSION, no matter how you do it. I have BBC LS3/5A speakers. What Claude says about them in comparison to horns is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YK Thom Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 I agree and feel the same way about my Ohms. In fact I had concerns about detail loss when I swapped out my RB 61IIs as mains. Fortunately it wasn’t the case at all. The presentation, imaging and soundstage were greatly enhanced. Really like both designs but the Klipsch I would really like would work better in a larger room where I could be farther back from them. Space and circumstance don’t allow it at this time. At some point they will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 2 hours ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Like I said before, good audio is all about the best ILLUSION, no matter how you do it. I'd like to add.................with as few COMPROMISES (AKA engineering) as possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 Seems like centuries ago I heard those Carvers. Can you still get parts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted March 12, 2018 Share Posted March 12, 2018 4 hours ago, jwc said: Seems like centuries ago I heard those Carvers. Can you still get parts? No parts and limited re-builders of ribbons. However, the ribbons are rugged and last forever if not abused. the woofers need re-foaming every 25 years, but those parts are readily available. I have xover schematics, so no problem there either. You would have heard them about 20-30 years ago, but like PWK always said "the Excellent is new forever." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1974 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Hi guys with regards to imaging, i have recently positioned my Cornwall III's and the imagining is nearly perfect apart fromThe artist or singer seems to be positioned to low down, the image from the center is not ear level or above (Stevie ray vaughan sounds like a midget).Any ideas please as im going nuts with this now after a week of intensive measurements and speaker placementCheersDeanoSent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbphoto Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Deano1974 said: Hi guys with regards to imaging, i have recently positioned my Cornwall III's and the imagining is nearly perfect apart from The artist or singer seems to be positioned to low down, the image from the center is not ear level or above (Stevie ray vaughan sounds like a midget). Any ideas please as im going nuts with this now after a week of intensive measurements and speaker placement Cheers Deano Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk Try tilting them back a little bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1974 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, pbphoto said: Try tilting them back a little bit. Yeah was thinking of doing that, but then people say the bass drops out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Even though everything is working fine and we are sure it is, it is my opinion you do not have the settings right to create the sound you want in your area. Yes, your equipment is perfect and operating just as it should But the sound synergy is off. Your goal is to make the sound bigger with out lifting your speakers. Not louder---bigger, so you're not listening to midgets in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1974 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, rebuy said: Even though everything is working fine and we are sure it is, it is my opinion you do not have the settings right to create the sound you want in your area. Yes, your equipment is perfect and operating just as it should But the sound synergy is off. Your goal is to make the sound bigger with out lifting your speakers. Not louder---bigger, so you're not listening to midgets in the room. ok fair point, so what could be causing the small center image problem, speakers not toed in correctly or speakers need to come out from the wall? or am i missing something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 You have amp or AVR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1974 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 You have amp or AVR? Pre amp and power amp Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 You r speakers are very efficient so they take very little power to reach high sound levels and for you this could be just a part of the issue. How can you set your equipment up to change the sound to make it sound "bigger"? With an AVR you can set the speakers into the negative numbers i.e. -4 or -5 and them that would probably reduce some midrange and treble and allow you to turn up the volume and make the speakers "sound bigger". You can make adjustments from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano1974 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 You r speakers are very efficient so they take very little power to reach high sound levels and for you this could be just a part of the issue. How can you set your equipment up to change the sound to make it sound "bigger"? With an AVR you can set the speakers into the negative numbers i.e. -4 or -5 and them that would probably reduce some midrange and treble and allow you to turn up the volume and make the speakers "sound bigger". You can make adjustments from there.Yeah i undestand where you are coming from but its nit an amp issue, i think i need to play around again with the placement as i had the center image before at the right height but the clarity was off, Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deano1974 said: Yeah i undestand where you are coming from but its nit an amp issue, i think i need to play around again with the placement as i had the center image before at the right height but the clarity was off, Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk Good luck--Keep Thinkin'--You'll figure it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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