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2 hours ago, richieb said:

As much as I've sworn to avoid this rabbit hole I am casually thinking of a table. Saw some new Regas today and must say after away from vinyl for decades the new tables appear, didn't listen, but appear flimsy, of marginal construction. Now I know about modern construction, sound deadening materials etc. but these really didn't float me boat. I've seen complete resto's of table that go back to when I played vinyl and they just appear more substantial, well made. More what I am used to seeing, I'm old. So will a 800-1000$ turnkey restored table perform as well as the new "thin line" tables. Ive seen some really nice restored Pioneers, i believe direct drive. And lets not get into carts right now as I know that too is its own rabbit hole. 

Yes.

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1 hour ago, oldtimer said:

Yes.

 

Daaymn - to the point. And I do believe I follow -- 

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On 3/27/2018 at 3:15 PM, Tarheel said:
4 hours ago, richieb said:

As much as I've sworn to avoid this rabbit hole I am casually thinking of a table. Saw some new Regas today and must say after away from vinyl for decades the new tables appear, didn't listen, but appear flimsy, of marginal construction. Now I know about modern construction, sound deadening materials etc. but these really didn't float me boat. I've seen complete resto's of table that go back to when I played vinyl and they just appear more substantial, well made. More what I am used to seeing, I'm old. So will a 800-1000$ turnkey restored table perform as well as the new "thin line" tables. Ive seen some really nice restored Pioneers, i believe direct drive. And lets not get into carts right now as I know that too is its own rabbit hole. 

I completely agree.  It's what I discovered when I shopped for a TT four years ago to replace my 15 yr old Ariston Icon..  ..Not to offend, but the belt-drives that I looked at seemed to be little more than a plank of wood, a bearing, an out-sourced motor, a rubber-band and an out-sourced tonearm.  No suspension to speak of.  ..Just a simple device that appeared to take little engineering know how.  ..Compare that to a Technics SL-1200, which seems like a substantial component.

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1 hour ago, ODS123 said:

I completely agree.  It's what I discovered when I shopped for a TT four years ago to replace my 15 yr old Ariston Icon..  ..Not to offend, but the belt-drives that I looked at seemed to be little more than a plank of wood, a bearing, an out-sourced motor, a rubber-band and an out-sourced tonearm.  No suspension to speak of.  ..Just a simple device that appeared to take little engineering know how.  ..Compare that to a Technics SL-1200, which seems like a substantial component.

 

(sorry to reply to my own post, but someone reacted and i don't want to presume their endorsement of my add'l comment)

 

..And when you ask the salesperson about this seemingly simple rubber-band approach, they'd say something like "it's better than DD b/c of motor noise."  Hmm.. I hear ZERO motor noise on my DD, yet every $1000 BD I heard struggled to hold a steady pitch when playing a piano or violin note.  ..So, it seems to me to be mostly a matter of engineering, tooling, and manufacture.  ..A DD TT requires tons of it, a BD does not.

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This has been a timely topic for me. My 40 year old Yamaha is crapping out (cheap Japanese audio gear).

I have decided to give the Pioneer PLX-1000 a try. I used to own a Technics SL-1200 Mk2 as well but foolishly sold it. I hope the Pioneer will come close.

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38 minutes ago, tromprof said:

 

I have decided to give the Pioneer PLX-1000 a try. 

 

 

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Pioneer PLX-1000 arrived today. UPS delivered it upside down of course. It was well boxed however and seems ok.

What a heavy TT, seems beefier than the Technics. Got it setup and am using the headshell and Clearaudio cartridge I used to have on the Technics.

It has been a couple of years since I had the Technics but I don't remember it sounding as good as this. Definite improvement over the old Yamaha. Very happy with the purchase. 

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You DD guys are nuts...

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3 minutes ago, Schu said:

You DD guys are nuts...

 

I am willing to listen as to why, I'm no expert but may go to the dark side - vinyl. General statements have little value - 

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55 minutes ago, tromprof said:

Pioneer PLX-1000 arrived today. UPS delivered it upside down of course. It was well boxed however and seems ok.

What a heavy TT, seems beefier than the Technics. Got it setup and am using the headshell and Clearaudio cartridge I used to have on the Technics.

It has been a couple of years since I had the Technics but I don't remember it sounding as good as this. Definite improvement over the old Yamaha. Very happy with the purchase. 

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Good to hear. And not surprised with the delivery. "Fragile" and "this side up" means little to nothing I'm afraid. 

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