CECAA850 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 What's the easiest method? In line resistor? Cap swap? L pad? Diaphragm swap? Sock in the horn??? What has worked for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimjimbo Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 You said easiest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Which speakers -- have you cleaned up the networks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 55 minutes ago, Deang said: Which speakers -- have you cleaned up the networks? KP 2500 which is the same network as a KP 250. They've been recapped with Audyns. The H2s I did with Audyns turned out great. These are really squawker strong. I taped off the tweeters and then the squawker to find the offending drivers and it seems to be the mids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I'm guess the KP-250 uses a different driver? I do everything the hard way. I would probably replace the autotransformers, and rescale the primary cap value - rebalancing the network to suit my personal taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Deang said: I'm guess the KP-250 uses a different driver? I do everything the hard way. I would probably replace the autotransformers, and rescale the primary cap value - rebalancing the network to suit my personal taste. What's the first sentence in this thread Deano? Here's the network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, Deang said: I'm guess the KP-250 uses a different driver? I do everything the hard way. I would probably replace the autotransformers, and rescale the primary cap value - rebalancing the network to suit my personal taste. The crossovers were certainly different. I think the mid drivers are the same? Would need to look it up. Edit. The mid drivers are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 I think I'll just go with L psds. @Deang (or anyone else who's able) can you look at the H2 networks and KP 250 networks and see if the mids are hotter on the 250s? I don't think that it's my imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 I may not be reading this correctly but it looks like the H2 attenuates the squawker 10 dB and the Kp-250 is only 3dB. If this is correct, it would explain what I'm hearing. Could someone confirm this for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 KP-250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Yes, you are reading that correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I know nothing.... But it looks like you nailed it. And a yea 7 dB.... you could prolly hear that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 12 minutes ago, jimjimbo said: Yes, you are reading that correctly. Thanks Jim, that really explains a lot. 7dB is almost twice as loud. It's no wonder the mids seem overbearing. I wonder why they did that? Instead of reworking the crossovers, I just ordered L-pads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 minute ago, babadono said: And a yea 7 dB.... you could prolly hear that The whole thing makes no sense to me. I think the 250 and H2 share the same drivers other than the stouter woofer. The H2 sounds so much more balanced and the 250 is so mid heavy (for my ears at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Thanks Jim, that really explains a lot. 7dB is almost twice as loud. It's no wonder the mids seem overbearing. I wonder why they did that? Instead of reworking the crossovers, I just ordered L-pads. Well, the 250 was engineered for a much higher output than the consumer H2, so it does make sense to me that it is configured that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 24 minutes ago, jimjimbo said: Well, the 250 was engineered for a much higher output than the consumer H2, so it does make sense to me that it is configured that way. It makes sense that it needs more power handling but not more mids in relation to lows and highs (in my mind anyways). In any event, I'm hoping the L-pads will fix me up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 It looks to me like thee KP-250 is voiced like the HIP, very bright for outdoor use. The tweeter should be pretty hot, too. While you're in there, why don't you wrap the horns with Dynamat or equal. https://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=dynamat&index=blended&link_code=qs&sourceid=Mozilla-search&tag=wwwcanoniccom-20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEC Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Probably the speaker to compare the KP-250 to is the HIP instead of the H2. The HIP also just attenuates the midrange by 3 db. In every case, I would think Klipsch attenuated the mid to match the output of the woofer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, BEC said: Probably the speaker to compare the KP-250 to is the HIP instead of the H2. You're right but the only reason I compared the two is that I had them both and they seem to use the same squawker and tweeter yet sounded so much different from each another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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