twistedcrankcammer Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/18/2018 at 12:43 PM, CECAA850 said: I like the first version of your post better. Sucks to be a mod sometimes doesn't it. LOL. I am fairly sure that whatever Elden first wrote isn't far from what I have thought. Greg would have you think his is the Greatest, but many long term players know he isn't even a pimple on Roy's backside let alone Paul's and would be absolutely NOTHING without using the knowledge obtained from other right here on this forum. Does that win me another 30 day vacation from posting again? Roger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Edgar said: I wish that Greg was still on the forum to set the record straight about this. I have email correspondence from him in early 2017 in which he me tells the backstory, but I do not have his permission to share the information. I feel safe in saying that none of the stories about Volti loudspeaker designs that I have seen on the forum are completely correct, and many are just plain wrong. How many ways can one do a W bin anyhow? No one ever accused Peavey of copying the LaScala, so maybe it's a bit of jealousy of a guy who's making a living building basically about 2 Speakers a month at the highest level he knows how to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Greg [...] would be absolutely NOTHING without using the knowledge obtained from other right here on this forum. I am one of those "others", and I don't resent it. I am an engineer, and engineers make their living by providing knowledge to others. Why should it be any different just because the recipient is Volti? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Edgar said: I am one of those "others", and I don't resent it. I am an engineer, and engineers make their living by providing knowledge to others. Why should it be any different just because the recipient is Volti? Just because yoy are ONE of those "others" Edgar, doesn't mean you are the ONLY one, nor does it mean that nobody else resents it now does it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 6 hours ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Just because yoy are ONE of those "others" Edgar, doesn't mean you are the ONLY one, nor does it mean that nobody else resents it now does it?? I speak only for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted October 22, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2018 To me it was not what he did but more of how he talked about others who helped him and he had copied. I don't care what he makes and sells, just have the decency to not trash the people before you who helped. Another little problem is new people see him and don't know the story and are led to believe he's all that, and want to push his claims not realizing they're 99% not his ideas or designs. Someone once asked if Volti was going to have a set up at the Klipsch Pilgrimage All that was said was No not if I had anything to do with it, and we were organizing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, dtel said: I don't care what he makes and sells, just have the decency to not trash the people before you who helped. I have to concede that point. Greg's not always the easiest person to get along with. But the Volti products appear to be first-rate ... no matter who actually designed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted October 22, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 22, 2018 Very good woodworking from what I have seen pictures of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 8:05 PM, ClaudeJ1 said: How many ways can one do a W bin anyhow? No one ever accused Peavey of copying the LaScala, so maybe it's a bit of jealousy of a guy who's making a living building basically about 2 Speakers a month at the highest level he knows how to do. Hogwash! No originality but spin offs of La Scala and Cornwalls. He started restoring Klipsch speakers and just happens to produce klipsch like products. In the voices of Click and Clack BOGUS! Looks like a duck quacks like a duck although it is a beautiful duck perhaps a beautiful stolen duck. If you think that is cool more power to ya. I'm not jealous I just think it is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, dtel said: Very good woodworking from what I have seen pictures of. I am jeolous of his woodworking skills an incredible craftsman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 You know, I am reminded of the old "Mercedes ... Granada" lookalike ad campaign. I suspect that many here are too young to remember it. https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/05/23/the-ford-granada-like-a-mercedes-benz-450se-with-a-16319-rebate/comment-page-1/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 11 hours ago, seti said: I am jeolous of his woodworking skills an incredible craftsman. That's what I meant. The prior post is just your opinion. No less or more valid than anyone else's including mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 18 hours ago, Edgar said: I have to concede that point. Greg's not always the easiest person to get along with. But the Volti products appear to be first-rate ... no matter who actually designed them. Irrespective of how he got there, the key word that is missing here is COMMITMENT! Like all people who go to "high end" shows, he puts up his 10 grand fee, hooks up his latest speakers, and hopes for a sale. I helped him at one of his shows about 4 years ago, so I have see first hand how it's done. Can't blame a guy for trying to earn a living doing what he likes rather than doing something he grew to hate. Besides, pretty much all designs have been done already and are just copies of other designs. Look at any Stereophile magazine and all speakers look the same. The only radical innovator in the speaker building business today is Tom Danley but most of his stuff is designed for large or outdoor venues. There are no writers who don't read, no musicians who don't listen to the music of others before them. The same is true of loudspeaker design, which is easier than ever with Hornresp. I'm sure he also like Border Patrol Amps because they sound good and are proportional to the asking price of his products, which take way longer to build than most. But hey, none of us are his customers anyhow. We are just a bunch of Klipscheads with opinions, like armchair quarterbacks who don't have to throw a football with 300 lb line backers trying to crush them on live TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Edgar said: You know, I am reminded of the old "Mercedes ... Granada" lookalike ad campaign. I suspect that many here are too young to remember it. https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2018/05/23/the-ford-granada-like-a-mercedes-benz-450se-with-a-16319-rebate/comment-page-1/ I've never looked at a Granada and once thought of Mercedes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: I've never looked at a Granada and once thought of Mercedes. === use your imagination. Four wheels, four doors, a hood, a trunk, a steering wheel - trade the MB Star for a Blue Oval And Shazam - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, richieb said: === use your imagination. Four wheels, four doors, a hood, a trunk, a steering wheel - trade the MB Star for a Blue Oval And Shazam - I can see it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Probably not my finest hour, but oh well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted October 25, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2018 On 10/21/2018 at 7:48 PM, twistedcrankcammer said: I am fairly sure that whatever Elden first wrote isn't far from what I have thought. Greg would have you think his is the Greatest, but many long term players know he isn't even a pimple on Roy's backside let alone Paul's and would be absolutely NOTHING without using the knowledge obtained from other right here on this forum. Does that win me another 30 day vacation from posting again? Roger No, because you didn't use profanity coupled with a misogynist comment. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 11 hours ago, dwilawyer said: No, because you didn't use profanity coupled with a misogynist comment. He'll do better next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joessportster Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 I read the article and 1 thing strikes me as funny. The claim is super neutral ? The reviewer claims he is comparing the amp to others he has had with music he is accustomed to. It is BS to call the amp neutral as compared to A or B you can only call anything neutral if you were present at the master recording session and are comparing the product to that. But of course that brings up another whole pot of beans Musical Memory and all...............At 9-14K, The amp better be cooking breakfast every morning. Cost more than my whole system and I would bet it just sounds DIFFERENT when all is said and done, not necessarily better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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