ThedukeMW Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Try to decide wether to buy 78 Klipschorns or New Cornwalls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 1978 Klipschorn... hands down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 20 minutes ago, ThedukeMW said: Try to decide wether to buy 78 Klipschorns or New Cornwalls? Welcome to the Klipsch forums. +++ I'm curious, what is the price on the 78 Khorns? I've never heard the Cornwalls so I'm not help on your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Room dependent. If you have proper corners with 4 ft walls from corners KHorns. Any less than above starts moving you to Cornwall’s. I had KHorns twice in either a tiny room or one w/o corners both examples sucked now I have Cornwall’s. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted August 30, 2018 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2018 Welcome What is the room like ? like the size shape, corners ? Edit; you beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEH Synergy Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 @USNRET, like you I tried the same without impressive results and I will be going back to a set of Cornwalls myself. Best overall solution in my room as well besides heresys which I loved but.....I crave the low bass as well and don't have much room for sub(s). The Cornwalls sound awesome even at very low volumes when need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyrc Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Welcome to the forum! As usual, with a new person, we don't know how much you know, so we will do more defining of terms and explanation than we might otherwise.. The Klipschorns would probably need new capacitors. There are people out there who can do that for you. Assuming that all of the drivers are good, the Klipschorns would be your best bet, IMHO. They will produce 3 dB more output for the same input, and less modulation distortion. Few speakers sound as dynamic as Klipschorns. Most of us (but not quite all) think fully horn loaded speakers (Klipschorns) sound better than speakers with direct radiators for bass (Cornwalls). Some people think Cornwalls have punchier bass for Rock. Others think not. Even if that is true, turning up the bass control a little when playing Klipschorns will fix that! The original Cornwall (I) had 3 times the Total Modulation Distortion of the Klipschorns of that time, even at a lower SPL (Sound Pressure Level, i.e., "Volume"). I don't think there is much that can be done to lower modulation distortion in a direct radiator woofer (it has to do with the amount of cone excursion it takes to produce a note at the same pitch and SPL ... the less excursion, the better). The Klipschorns are the winners hands down in this respect. By the way, they both use the same woofer, the K33E (if that was used in 1978 -- I think it was). It's just that the horn loading and corner placement of the Klipschorn provide less excursion, therefore lower modulation distortion. You MUST have two good corners to use the Klipschorn, ones without obstruction for 4 feet out along both walls of the corner. Lacking that, you can build artificial corners. Compared to the new ones, the 1978 Klipschorn had somewhat different (but nearby) crossover points, a metal midrange horn, and the tweeter was mounted on the rear of the baffle board (aimed through a hole, naturally) rather than front mounted. They probably sounded just about the same. Try to listen to them both, with a variety of music. https://f072605def1c9a5ef179-a0bc3fbf1884fc0965506ae2b946e1cd.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/product-specsheets/Klipschorn-Spec-Sheet-v04.pdf https://f072605def1c9a5ef179-a0bc3fbf1884fc0965506ae2b946e1cd.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/product-specsheets/Cornwall-III-Spec-Sheet-v03.pdf I've been doing this crazy stuff for more than 50 years, and have yet to find speakers that sound better than Klipschorns. To be fair, I haven't heard the Klipsch Jubilees, which are reputed to sound even better. I doubt if you could find used Jubilees. Good luck! EDIT: It looks like the woofer could be 1 of 2 models. https://2d73e25b29782b6d6766-9c8af5cbfef16739445bc76457060528.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/KhornTimeline_635116436015580000.pdf They are probably both good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I agree with the above. If your room is well sorted, big enough and has appropriate corners, klipschorn, hands down. I haven't heard the CWIII, but did own the CWII. For my money the Forte III was the better speaker, but that might be a fair comparison with the newer version cornwall. Shakey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThedukeMW Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 Thanks everyone I believe I will purchase the Klipschorns 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 Good luck. And you know it's mandatory that you post a thread with all the details (with pics!) once you get them home. Shakey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmusic Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I have 77 khorns and for a short while had cornwall II's, my room is small but has good corners. It wasn't even close the khorns were heads and shoulders better!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 12 hours ago, ThedukeMW said: Try to decide wether to buy 78 Klipschorns or New Cornwalls? The cost of used Jubilees would be in the same ballpark as new Cornwalls. There is currently a stock set for sale in Indianapolis (Colterphoto), at a great price. After he sells his factory version, I will sell my DIY version. So Jubilees are within reach. Did I forget to mention, those other two are strong competition, but the Jubilees sound better. Good Luck, -Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 The big mid horn that delivers a full house of life like vocals, you either get it or you don't. Same thing for bass that hits you in the chest from across the room, you either get it, or you don't. You cant have it both ways from the factory without going black. Owning a set a CW II's and a set of modded K's, I will say the CWII's are a better plug and play speaker hands down. Funky shaped room, open room to another room, they will sound great with the possibility and likelihood of a bass drone. However, if you like turn the knob up a bit they will start to sound muddy and distorted quicker than the K's. If you have a little patience and a decent sized room, the K's will deliver a better sound. Heck, some find the K more appealing in sound just on the commanding looks alone and the same can be said for Jubs IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted August 31, 2018 Moderators Share Posted August 31, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 9:09 PM, ThedukeMW said: Try to decide wether to buy 78 Klipschorns or New Cornwalls? I think The room variable has already been covered. What are the last 10 albums you listened to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThedukeMW Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 On 8/30/2018 at 9:31 AM, Shakeydeal said: Good luck. And you know it's mandatory that you post a thread with all the details (with pics!) once you get them home. Shakey I promise to post a better picture. Right now I am basking in music. I can’t seam to play enough songs fast enough. Just put the system together a few hours ago. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oicu812 Posted September 3, 2018 Share Posted September 3, 2018 On 9/1/2018 at 11:46 PM, ThedukeMW said: I promise to post a better picture. Right now I am basking in music. I can’t seam to play enough songs fast enough. Just put the system together a few hours ago. Congratulations on the new purchase. I think you will be very happy with the result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Sweet....looks like they found a nice new home....congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 congrats, 78 was a very good year. i love mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEUS121996 Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 9:43 PM, USNRET said: Room dependent. If you have proper corners with 4 ft walls from corners KHorns. Any less than above starts moving you to Cornwall’s. I had KHorns twice in either a tiny room or one w/o corners both examples sucked now I have Cornwall’s. Perfect corners would be nice but IDK how many houses have been built actually square enough for perfect corners. Enclose the backs on the Khorns and they will beat the CWs all day. Easy to do, there's a few threads here, if you can find the one by @davis419bit's easy to follow along. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USNRET Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 Thanks Marks, I did that and then wondered if the NIB B stock speakers had crossover issues; replaced and then went to CWs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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