ssh Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I just unplugged an OPPO BDP-105 and replaced it with a BDP-205. The 205 is by far superior. Is this due to the improvement in DACs? SSH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Are you using the RCA outputs or the digital outputs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssh Posted September 13, 2018 Author Share Posted September 13, 2018 HDMI (music only). It was a quick hook-up. I know that the analog outs are supposed to be better; I'm not there yet. SSH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Digital to your preamp should be exactly the same--i.e., you're not using the DACs in your player. Are you "converting to LPCM" or using "raw bitstream" in either player? EDIT: The reason why I ask is because I've experienced a large difference in sound quality when the player converted to LPCM (i.e., a loss of SQ). The "raw bitstream" setting is usually heavily preferred, in my experience. There is something audibly lost in the conversion to LPCM in some players. Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Should be pretty close in sound quality considering the internal DACs are being bypassed. Maybe better channel isolation and more potent power supply due to "upgraded" internals? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron167 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I just unplugged an OPPO BDP-105 and replaced it with a BDP-205. The 205 is by far superior. Is this due to the improvement in DACs? SSHYesSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBCODD Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 According to Mars Blackmon, it's the shoes.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus89 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Digital to your preamp should be exactly the same--i.e., you're not using the DACs in your player. Are you "converting to LPCM" or using "raw bitstream" in either player? EDIT: The reason why I ask is because I've experienced a large difference in sound quality when the player converted to LPCM (i.e., a loss of SQ). The "raw bitstream" setting is usually heavily preferred, in my experience. There is something audibly lost in the conversion to LPCM in some players. ChrisWhat about PCM or bitstream? IIRC people say to use pcm instead of bitstream on tv Audio setting when connected to your AVR and also same settings on the PlayStation 4. Should be set them to bitstream in order to use the dac in my marantz avr without conversion?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshnich Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I would think it is more than likely the DAC. I had a 105 and sound improvement was dramatic when putting the benchmark back in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willland Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 It will only be the DAC if you use the internal DACs of the 205. On 9/13/2018 at 4:26 PM, ssh said: Is this due to the improvement in DACs? On 9/13/2018 at 4:43 PM, Chris A said: Are you using the RCA outputs or the digital outputs? On 9/13/2018 at 4:55 PM, ssh said: HDMI (music only). Using HDMI bypasses the 205's internal DACs. As mentioned, better guts, sound isolation, better power supply, etc, can lead to better sound quality, even if the DACs are taken out of the picture. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 8 hours ago, Maximus89 said: What about PCM or bitstream? IIRC people say to use pcm instead of bitstream on tv Audio setting when connected to your AVR and also same settings on the PlayStation 4. Should be set them to bitstream in order to use the dac in my marantz avr without conversion? It was both a PS3 and an older Oppo 980H where I heard the problems converting to LPCM. The problem disappeared when set to bitstream. The worst performance was using the analog outputs (RCA), which brought a host of distortion issues and level-related clipping sensitivity. The AVP that I own (an Onkyo PR-SC886, which was the flagship AVP from Onkyo in the late 2000s) has better DACs and a lot better bit conversion/decoding capabilities than the players, and the digital HDMI bus from the player to the AVP is immune from noise or other level-sensitive distortion issues. Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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