Moderators Travis In Austin Posted October 17, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Whew! The link above came back but I thought the Chinese had pulled a fast one.....That said, can we talk about the current big developing story in the news about the guy they killed and disremembered in the Saudi consulate in Turkey? 😲 Sure, but start a new thread That way if you can't help yourself and sink into a conspiracy theory that is the result of politicians, or current administration, or anything else that constitutes politics (regardless of how true it may be) a moderator can simply hide the whole thing with one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, dwilawyer said: That way if you can't help yourself and sink into a conspiracy theory that is the result of politicians, or current administration, or anything else that constitutes politics (regardless of how true it may be) a moderator can simply hide the whole thing with one click. That sure does seem like a weird response from a moderator given how this thread has gone....You're the boss and I will do as you wish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 China owns the USA, and will not allow the USA to fail as they would lose BILLIONS. The USA has way too much debt to China to play hard ball with them, and needs to back off IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Fwiw, I have been on this forum for a long time and there is a written record of me NOT sinking into ANY conspiracy theory and have proudly debunked more than a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted October 17, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2018 Just now, Zen Traveler said: That sure does seem like a weird response from a moderator given how this thread has gone....You're the boss and I will do as you wish. The thread has gone great because I have hidden a significant number of posts that were clearly political so I could have this as an example if people tried. If I recall correctly, I believe I had to hide 3 or so of your posts as being way over the line and a source for the OP requesting restraint as he didn't want thread locked or hidden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ellisr63 said: The USA has way too much debt to China to play hard ball with them, and needs to back off IMO. The other end of that argument is that we owe them way too much money to be playing hardball.....That said, I agree with you but who knows where the cards will fall. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 Yes time will tell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, dwilawyer said: I believe I had to hide 3 or so of your posts as being way over the line and a source for the OP requesting restraint as he didn't want thread locked or hidden You are the moderator on this forum and I realize I can't win an argument about my deleted posts and has happened before with you and other moderators I appreciate you have a point of view and it trumps mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted October 17, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: You are the moderator on this forum and I realize I can't win an argument about my deleted posts and has happened before with you and other moderators I appreciate you have a point of view and it trumps mine. Wrong again, my point of view was in line with yours on the political posts I had to hide in this particular thread. The moderators have to apply a rule equally, regardless of whether we agree with it or not: no politics. This thread was well discussed and debated without having to decline into politics. A great example of what can happen if people try. We don't get to pick and choose what we agree with, just whether it is political. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted October 17, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Fwiw, I have been on this forum for a long time and there is a written record of me NOT sinking into ANY conspiracy theory and have proudly debunked more than a few. Conspiracy theory was a poor choice of words. Your point is well taken. We can leave that part out and stick with "you sink into politics." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 The incident in Turkey and the economically based response answers the question, Jeff. Human rights demonstrably fall under the heading of yes, it is a trade issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 7 hours ago, oldtimer said: The incident in Turkey and the economically based response answers the question, Jeff. Human rights demonstrably fall under the heading of yes, it is a trade issue. That depends on what type of cause/effect relationship you want to discuss. Does our refusal to engage in trade on favorable terms cause them to oppress local Muslims? Edit: I understand the argument that we could induce them to stop oppressing Muslims by paying them. That's a different point, altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldred Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/16/2018 at 9:46 PM, ellisr63 said: China owns the USA, and will not allow the USA to fail as they would lose BILLIONS. The USA has way too much debt to China to play hard ball with them, and needs to back off IMO. Not even close......Their economy is not even 1/3 the value of ours. I have worked with the Chinese for years.....They think the USA is a joke....basically because we gave them all of our jobs....Treat China with respect....Yes......but don't give them anything...They Don't own us. George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Jeff Matthews said: That depends on what type of cause/effect relationship you want to discuss. Does our refusal to engage in trade on favorable terms cause them to oppress local Muslims? Edit: I understand the argument that we could induce them to stop oppressing Muslims by paying them. That's a different point, altogether. It's not cause and effect. Policy simply doesn't care about human rights depending upon profit and loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 They own us because we owe them Billions of dollars. The whole world is laughing at us, and you say we are not a joke? Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted October 19, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, ellisr63 said: They own us because we owe them Billions of dollars. The whole world is laughing at us, and you say we are not a joke? Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk Well kind of, it is beyond billions, it is now measured in trillions. Japan and China are essentially in a tie. Japan was ahead for awhile because China was buying back its yuan to give it support, after 8t started climbing against the dollar they started buying out debt again. Strong demand keeps our interest rates low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 3 hours ago, oldtimer said: Policy simply doesn't care about human rights depending upon profit and loss. Profit clearly cares about something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windashine Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 and... the professional fitness of profit relative to an area of the world should (could) roll some of "that" back into the foundation (… ie, the population) … as in a "see-saw" …. but in the scope of perception, it seems to appear that one player wants a rather large pile in this game... the game's could be different... agreed to be equal, fair, and enjoyable... but the wave of difference looks like an unrational poker hand, not irrational.... no simple number's.... unknown cause or effect, reliance on the past when wishing for a solution... but is the solution inevitable in a positive way?.... yes, because we all know the world is round, but only a few can deal with the calculus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 A couple of Chinese people in my power-walking group have a cousin and uncle visiting from China for a few weeks. Next week, they are going to Washington, D.C. I have to wonder what they will take away from this visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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