CECAA850 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: want but there is already reason for Freddie Mercury to be called one even though he wasn't one of yours. I'm still waiting to find out what that was. You certainly haven't listed one. I guess anyone can be considered a hero if you're famous and have talent........not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: I'm still waiting to find out what that was. You certainly haven't listed one. I can't debate who you consider a hero. By the definition Jeff posted Freddie Mercury could be classified as one as both he and oldtimer have pointed out. Those dudes are sticklers for language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: I guess anyone can be considered a hero if you're famous and have talent........not. Sure. And {EDIT: Insert any religious figure} was a radical who rallied against the status quo....Like I also mentioned to Jeff, one persons hero can be another's antagonist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Matthews said: a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities. Jeff's definition. Courage? Nope I've never read that. Outstanding achievements? Nope. Has he saved a life? Donated millions to charities? Donated an organ? Noble qualities? Nope Not that I've read He was certainly idolized but not heroic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Just now, CECAA850 said: Outstanding achievements? Nope. Has he saved a life? Donated millions to charities? Donated an organ? Noble qualities? All of this is subjective . He definitely has outstanding achievements and I don't know if he saved a life. As other mentioned he has donated to charities and I'm not sure if it's enough for you to classify him as giving enough. His talent has inspired many and in different fields so I will put Freddie up against JJ and let others decide whom they consider a hero--One, both, or neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: As other mentioned he has donated to charities What was mentioned was that there was a charity started after his death. Did I miss the link where he actually donated anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I will say Paul Newman was one of my heroes 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: What was mentioned was that there was a charity started after his death. Did I miss the link where he actually donated anything? I don't know the terms of his estate but as I mentioned, that wasn't the only "hero" criteria he represents. It's okay that you don't see him that way and it's clear you think heroes should give a certain amount to charity even though it's not in the definition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ceptorman said: I will say Paul Newman was one of my heroes 😀 I remember people saying the same thing about Burt Reynolds when he died...That said, I don't think it was his charitable giving that earned him that praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 OK; can we "loose" this HERO stuff? The only real hero's risks their lives to save other people. Contributing money to good causes does not make a "hero." It just makes a "good person." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: I don't know the terms of his estate but as I mentioned, that wasn't the only "hero" criteria he represents. It's okay that you don't see him that way and it's clear you think heroes should give a certain amount to charity even though it's not in the definition. That's not the only criteria but it's certainly worth considering. It doesn't apply in this case though. I just don't think that being famous automatically gets you in the hero club. I don't believe in participation trophies either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 12:26 PM, Jeff Matthews said: He*ro: noun a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities. Some think Vincent Van Gogh wouldn't fit this definition. He wasn't admired during his lifetime. He only sold one painting and bartered a handful more during the time he painted. His family and friends thought he was wasting his time painting, yet he is one of the most famous artist who has ever lived and has inspired movies, songs and countless artist since he died over 125 years ago. He is a hero of mine because he defied the odds because he felt life passionately and even his scrap paper and written words are worth tens of thousands of dollars, to paintings that are worth several thousand times more than that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: It doesn't apply in this case though. I just don't think that being famous automatically gets you in the hero club. I don't believe in participation trophies either. Fwiw, no one is arguing that he should be a hero just because he is famous....Insofar as participation trophies are concerned, surely you aren't claiming Freddie Mercury only deserves a "participation trophy" for his life?This thread was started because his music is still popular to such an extent they made a movie about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: This thread was started because his music is still popular to such an extent they made a movie about it. Myeh. This is not an outstanding achievement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Emile said: OK; can we "loose" this HERO stuff? The only real hero's risks their lives to save other people. Contributing money to good causes does not make a "hero." It just makes a "good person." ^^^ This (especially if they've used dental floss) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: Myeh. This is not an outstanding achievement. Not in itself but they don't make movies about folks who only rise to the level of "participation." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: 4 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said: Myeh. This is not an outstanding achievement. Not in itself but they don't make movies about folks who only rise to the level of "participation." You took me too literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said: Fwiw, no one is arguing that he should be a hero just because he is famous....Insofar as participation trophies are concerned, surely you aren't claiming Freddie Mercury only deserves a "participation trophy" for his life?This thread was started because his music is still popular to such an extent they made a movie about him. According to you all successful singers should be considered heros. That's like all kids playing soccer get trophies. There's tons of people that have had movies made about them. Some are hero's some are not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 More along the lines of what I feel. The dictionary defines "hero" as "a person of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his or her brave deeds and noble qualities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: According to you all successful singers should be considered heros. That's like all kids playing soccer get trophies. Nope. That's nowhere near what I said and let me refer you to my first post on this thread and will bold the part you may have missed: On 10/27/2018 at 8:46 AM, Zen Traveler said: Freddie Mercury? There is only a handful of people who are at his level of superstardom whether you like his music or not....One of the things I still find amusing is that given his lifestyle, his songs motivated folks who were pumping their fists getting ready to pummel another dude (or dudes) and even more in the stands watching and getting emotional. That said, I can dig Queen and Freddie's music isn't for everyone, but if any rock star is qoing to be called "hero" (agree there is an argument for not giving any of them that designation) Freddie Mercury is definitely one of them insofar as his talent, music ability and one of a kind voice is concerned (Imo ;)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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