kevinmi Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 As a lot of you know, I have modified K-Horns sporting big tratrix mid horns with 2" exit drivers. I have been using Selenium D-405 drivers (phenolic diaphragm) since the build several years ago, with great results. My questions is this: for those of you who have tried different drivers, which would you recommend and why? I've heard good things about Faital Pro, TAD, and a host of others. I don't have the money to go out and buy a pair of each to try out, so I'm hoping to learn from the experience of others. I need frequency ranges from 400 to 6000, as this is a 3 way system, and I'll only be running 8 watts max of triode power to them. Any thoughts and comments are welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 If I might beg the question, do you feel there is something lacking in your current mid-range sound? What are you hearing, or not hearing that you think another CD might fix? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 How did you come up with the profile of the mid horn? JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlthess40 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Did you make those Beautiful mid horns?Those are sweet looking. What type of sound are you looking to get from the driver? I mean like a more laidback type or a more pronounced sound from itLike going from stock Klipsch and then going to BC drivers that are more bright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlthess40 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Look at these new ones https://celestion.com/product/174/axi2050/These seem to be the talk of the town on other forums. And the company spent a ton of R&D on them and if understand it these can be used and a few ways. From 300hz all the way up to and over 20k or used for just a mid or a tweeter, but I think they are marketing them as a mid/tweeter for a two way setup. And they are pretty massive as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Those are beautiful builds Kevin. Love those mids in wood BMS seemed to have the best reputation and build for the money with a true mid only in my set up. I went out on a limb with a 4592 ND model that had been modded from the factory with shorting rings and can only compare them to Full range TADS which are a different animal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 1 hour ago, carlthess40 said: Look at these new ones https://celestion.com/product/174/axi2050/ These seem to be the talk of the town on other forums. And the company spent a ton of R&D on them and if understand it these can be used and a few ways. From 300hz all the way up to and over 20k or used for just a mid or a tweeter, but I think they are marketing them as a mid/tweeter for a two way setup. And they are pretty massive as well It's almost 10dB down at 400Hz. Count this one out unless you're going active. The BMS 4592-mid is the go-to driver for the Klipschorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlthess40 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I just thought I’d put it out there. I believe They are pretty new on the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 6 hours ago, wvu80 said: If I might beg the question, do you feel there is something lacking in your current mid-range sound? What are you hearing, or not hearing that you think another CD might fix? I'm not hearing any defects at all- I'm just wondering if there is something different or amazing that I might be missing out on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 I used that tratrix software that's been floating around forever. I wanted something that was 2:1 ratio and 26" wide, to match the width of the bass bin. I punched in the numbers, and if I remember correctly, I had to add an inch to each side to make it the correct width. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Deang said: It's almost 10dB down at 400Hz. Count this one out unless you're going active. The BMS 4592-mid is the go-to driver for the Klipschorn. Dean, I think you know the answer about whether I'm going active or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted November 30, 2018 Author Share Posted November 30, 2018 Still looks like the BMS 4592 is ruling the roost, but I've heard the TAD drivers are no slouch either. Both are pricey, for sure! I'd hate to spend that kind of money only to find minimal or no improvement. Maybe someone could lend me a pair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Speaking entirely of diaphragm material, Beryllium... That's where you want to be imho if money is no object. Though to me phenolic is very nice also. I am not a huge fan of titanium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Can’t take TADs down that low either. You could possibly use them in a LaScala at 500Hz with Al’s ESN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Ah .... don't we use TADs down that low on Jubilees? or pretty dang close? Nevermind that they're darn near unobtanium. I used BMS 4592 mids on Fastlane"s BIG eliptrac horn with ALK ESN 400s on KHorn bottoms. But they still were 3 way. Sounded pretty good to me(no measuremnet data) but I'm a doofus What about B and C DCM50s? Are they unobtanium now also? Either BMS mid or DCM50 will still need a tweeter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I don't know all the technical stuff.....but on the Jubilee's, (with the K402) the TAD's kick in at 400Hz LR/24. I think by going active, you are able to stop the signal to them soon enough where it wan't cause any damage. I WILL say that for residential use, you are not going to really be limited with volume (hmmmm.....) Looks like you're in Michigan?? Ever see yourself driving to TN? Though I have a TAD which is currently sitting unused in my closet, I'm not too keen on shipping it and risking a cracked diaphragm... But if you're close enough to pick it up, you are welcome to borrow it. BTW, once you get on I-75 south, I'm only "about" 4 turns away from you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 6 hours ago, carlthess40 said: Look at these new ones https://celestion.com/product/174/axi2050/ These seem to be the talk of the town on other forums. And the company spent a ton of R&D on them and if understand it these can be used and a few ways. From 300hz all the way up to and over 20k or used for just a mid or a tweeter, but I think they are marketing them as a mid/tweeter for a two way setup. And they are pretty massive as well Ah, yes, good old "unobtanium," by way of OEM only. Know a major player who can get one? Are you listening Chief Bonehead? Many of your "K-402 Victims" would love to try one. "Victim" something PWK once called me in the presence of Jim Hunter (one of his other victims). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Deang said: It's almost 10dB down at 400Hz. Count this one out unless you're going active. The BMS 4592-mid is the go-to driver for the Klipschorn. I vote for the K-1133 in the mids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Yes! An awesome driver - but how does one get one? I really love the sound of that driver on a 402. Wowsville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 2 hours ago, kevinmi said: Still looks like the BMS 4592 is ruling the roost, but I've heard the TAD drivers are no slouch either. Both are pricey, for sure! I'd hate to spend that kind of money only to find minimal or no improvement. Maybe someone could lend me a pair! The BMS is NOT pricey...........but the TAD is super pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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