Dave A Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 32 minutes ago, Coytee said: To achieve what? To hear more superlative, descriptive and eloquent commentary like........ 37 minutes ago, ODS123 said: And, like me, they are also music obsessives who care a great deal about fidelity. How can you not admire and desire to hear more of this? On a serious note the funny thing about all this is that if he can't hear a difference can you imagine how bad his source files might be? I guess when it is garbage in garbage comes out no matter how pretty the trash compactor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 5, 2019 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 5, 2019 On 1/31/2019 at 4:39 PM, Deang said: I’ll take solid front end stuff and a great pair of monitors over a pair of Klipschorns and a shitty amp. It’s your ears bro. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted February 5, 2019 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Tizman said: Listening to mono through two speakers is dumb. Does listening to one speaker in mono to compare to another speaker put me in the dumb class? Just wondering....... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizman Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 7 hours ago, ODS123 said: Whatever issues you're eluding to apparently matter less than the improvement of having everything coming from the center. I suggest turning your head towards the one speaker that is working. Bam! That is now the center. Perhaps also turn your chair to face the one working speaker so that you don't get a crick in your neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizman Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 6 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: Does listening to one speaker in mono to compare to another speaker put me in the dumb class? Just wondering....... No. That puts you in the smart class. I'm assuming that when you do this, you listen to one speaker at a time, right? If you can compare two speakers by listening to them both in mono at the same time, you belong in the genius class. Also, I'm just talking out of my derrière to get a reaction from ODS123. Which worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Wouldn't need to listen to just one at a time, depending on their relative locations, your familiarity with the content, and what you're "looking for" at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Yes and alright then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS123 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: Does listening to one speaker in mono to compare to another speaker put me in the dumb class? Just wondering....... I did this very thing a few years back to compare an expensive speaker cable to generic Home Depot speaker wire. ..And a Radio Shack interconnect to a pricey AudioQuest (from CD player). Before doing so I pushed the speakers right next to each other to keep contributions of room reflections reasonable consistent for each speaker. I then used the balance control to quickly alternate b/w the two. I've suggested this from of comparison hear at Klipsch forum but haven't been able to convince anyone to try it (of if they have they haven't mentioned it). What amp are you using Chief bonehead that has a mono switch? ..Just curious. ..There aren't many around these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 9 hours ago, Chief bonehead said: Does listening to one speaker in mono to compare to another speaker put me in the dumb class? Just wondering...... No, not dumb..... in fact, perhaps pretty darn smart & sneaky! Since we discovered somewhere else that Klipsch evidently, doesn't have any engineers.... It could be concluded that you must be a novice fisherman wannabe that is actually posing as an engineer to gain some street cred, no?? I mean.... you can't even spell bass right when you are talking about bass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS123 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Tizman said: Also, I'm just talking out of my derrière to get a reaction from ODS123. Which worked. ..I get it. It's a web forum so people will goat and taunt. Fine. Be as snarky as you want. ..But if you aren't going to be at least a little pertinent, then please leave the thread. ..No need for your help getting to 100pgs. I'm not interested in that. The thread can fizz out - it's fine by me. FWIW, I really don't think you've done much to advance the "all amps and other electronics sound different and should be compared and selected through sighted and extended auditions " point of view. And I suspect any beginners still reading this thread feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Who are you quoting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, ODS123 said: But if you aren't going to be at least a little pertinent, then please leave the thread. Day what now? Gotta love it and now he is a thread cop too. 3 hours ago, ODS123 said: I've suggested this from of comparison hear at Klipsch forum but haven't been able to convince anyone to try it (of if they have they haven't mentioned it). I don't mean to be rude but it is here and not hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS123 Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Deang said: Who are you quoting? I'm summarizing the advice offered by the amps sound different crowd. all amps and other electronics sound different and should be compared and selected through sighted and extended auditions If that is a mischaracterization, please tell me how precisely. Is that not your stance on amplifiers, cd players, DACs, etc..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizman Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'm feeling a bit tired and cranky. Maybe I have mono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, ODS123 said: I'm summarizing the advice offered by the amps sound different crowd. all amps and other electronics sound different and should be compared and selected through sighted and extended auditions If that is a mischaracterization, please tell me how precisely. Is that not your stance on amplifiers, cd players, DACs, etc..? OK buster, refute THAT one. You have had it now Dean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I don’t need to see the amplifiers, but a little bit of time with them would be nice. A few songs off of a CD I know well is usually enough (if pressed for time). At any rate, if you’re not quoting someone, you probably shouldn’t use quotes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizman Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 23 hours ago, ODS123 said: I did this very thing a few years back to compare an expensive speaker cable to generic Home Depot speaker wire. ..And a Radio Shack interconnect to a pricey AudioQuest (from CD player). Before doing so I pushed the speakers right next to each other to keep contributions of room reflections reasonable consistent for each speaker. I then used the balance control to quickly alternate b/w the two. Yes. The balance control completely ruined any chance of hearing a difference. I’m glad you finally figured it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 For the speaker wire it'd be better to wire them both to the speaker and each other end to A & B outputs on the same channel and alternate with that switch. For the interconnects you'd rightly need two active outputs on the CD player and alternate between source inputs on the pre-amp. Even if you were playing a mono CD, you'd still be using different sides of the player's innards which might differ somewhat (same goes for the amp/pre-amp when comparing interconnects or speaker wires); just to eliminate all possible variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ODS123 Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 5 hours ago, glens said: For the speaker wire it'd be better to wire them both to the speaker and each other end to A & B outputs on the same channel and alternate with that switch. For the interconnects you'd rightly need two active outputs on the CD player and alternate between source inputs on the pre-amp. Even if you were playing a mono CD, you'd still be using different sides of the player's innards which might differ somewhat (same goes for the amp/pre-amp when comparing interconnects or speaker wires); just to eliminate all possible variables. Totally agree on both counts. ..My suggestion is a way of applying a tiny bit of scientific rigor with the least amount of effort. .But you're correct. My method assumes that both channels of both the amp and the CD player are functioning properly and playing at the same output level. This is not a tall ask for any CD player, but it may be for some amplifiers - particularly those coming from small boutiquey outfits That said, your recommendation would be even better. Still, I expect few to do either. I think the truth is that most audiophiles really DON'T want to know whether the differences they are hearing are real or the result of expectation biases that naturally and unavoidably follow from sighted and non-volume matched comparisons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I "thumbed" through some pages at a website the other day with some expressed thoughts re objectivists / subjectivists. I'll post up a link a bit later when I get situated at the laptop. Very apropos stuff said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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