twistedcrankcammer Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Do you want to cry?? When I bought my built up 390 big block 1967 fastback GT for $3,000, there were at least 3 or 4 440 Super birds for $3,000 at the same time, and in particular there was a single Hemi 4-speed Daytona I was looking at, but my buddies talked me out of it saying it was to heavy to drag race.... FACT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: The 427 SOHC in my avatar displaces about 440 cubes. It uses a 4 & 3/8 inch bore aluminum Shelby block with a slightly destroked billet Winberg crank running a 2.0 inch SBC rod journal with Carrillo light weight steel rods and Billet Diamond pistons. The heads are one of only four sets with a custom CNCd constant taper custom ports that are raised 0.300" on both the intake and exhaust and run a 2.350 intake valve Sounds very nice. Hows it run. post a pic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Do you want to cry?? When I bought my built up 390 big block 1967 fastback GT for $3,000, there were at least 3 or 4 440 Super birds for $3,000 at the same time, and in particular there was a single Hemi 4-speed Daytona I was looking at, but my buddies talked me out of it saying it was to heavy to drag race.... FACT wow. Very rare. Do you know what that would be worth today? A bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, mopardave said: wow. Very rare. Do you know what that would be worth today? A bunch. Oh yeah, it was wheeler Dealer for $3,000, and it had a 4-speed and 426 Hemi, but was 15 and wanted to drag race and it wasn't a Hot Rod, I was looking at stock exhaust manifolds and thinking about Hemi Header prices Still have my 67, would still have that Daytona. Guy drove 1.5 hours, looked at my 67, and agreed to take my home stereo, my 67, and $5,000 for a 1968.5 GT 500 KR with exactly 40,056 miles on the clock and my mom didn't want to cosign the loan because my dads contract was up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Glad to see a knowledgeable Mopar guy for a change, I'll bet you don't get many Ford guys asking about a 400 block Thanks. Any idea what kind of power it makes. Looks like a very well thought out package. Called oakwood and spoke with them about the veneer. Going down when i get some time and pick out some veneer. The rosewood is about $400 a 4x8 sheet, so may pick out something more affordable. They tell me Jay is their pro on this stuff, so will get some info from him as well. Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Oh yeah, it was wheeler Dealer for $3,000, and it had a 4-speed and 426 Hemi, but was 15 and wanted to drag race and it wasn't a Hot Rod, I was looking at stock exhaust manifolds and thinking about Hemi Header prices Still have my 67, would still have that Daytona. Guy drove 1.5 hours, looked at my 67, and agreed to take my home stereo, my 67, and $5,000 for a 1968.5 GT 500 KR with exactly 40,056 miles on the clock and my mom didn't want to cosign the loan because my dads contract was up wow. Those were the days of affordability. I could never buy another,so im keeping mine. I built it from ground up. Everything but the paint job which was done in 1998. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 11 hours ago, mopardave said: Thanks. Any idea what kind of power it makes. Looks like a very well thought out package. Called oakwood and spoke with them about the veneer. Going down when i get some time and pick out some veneer. The rosewood is about $400 a 4x8 sheet, so may pick out something more affordable. They tell me Jay is their pro on this stuff, so will get some info from him as well. Thanks It has been a project for years. Waiting on too many custom one of a kind pieces. It drives the price up and the wait time as well. It is going to be boosted as well. I own one of the two 427 SOHC Cammer Top Fuel Blower manifolds off od one of the two Mickey Thompson Mustang funny cars, but I am thinking on going turbo instead. Need some custom billet one off cam shafts and some custom Jessel one of a kind custom rockers next. The largest cam a factory Cammer could run back in the day was 0.700" lift, but by changing the cams base circle and building some one off rockers, I can get 0.850" on paper. The custom ports for these heads were designed by the same guy who designed the number one and number two Super stock Hemis that make 1050 HP and 1000 HP consecutively. I am not limited by stock displacement, the larger bore unshrowds the valve. I am not limited by stock valve size or port configuration or stock type intake, etc. These heads are flowing the same on the flow bench with 0.850" lift as the Super stock Chryslers are flowing at 0.950". It's an obsession and I have too many hobbies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 5 hours ago, twistedcrankcammer said: It has been a project for years. Waiting on too many custom one of a kind pieces. It drives the price up and the wait time as well. It is going to be boosted as well. I own one of the two 427 SOHC Cammer Top Fuel Blower manifolds off od one of the two Mickey Thompson Mustang funny cars, but I am thinking on going turbo instead. Need some custom billet one off cam shafts and some custom Jessel one of a kind custom rockers next. The largest cam a factory Cammer could run back in the day was 0.700" lift, but by changing the cams base circle and building some one off rockers, I can get 0.850" on paper. The custom ports for these heads were designed by the same guy who designed the number one and number two Super stock Hemis that make 1050 HP and 1000 HP consecutively. I am not limited by stock displacement, the larger bore unshrowds the valve. I am not limited by stock valve size or port configuration or stock type intake, etc. These heads are flowing the same on the flow bench with 0.850" lift as the Super stock Chryslers are flowing at 0.950". It's an obsession and I have too many hobbies Cool. Sounds like a very nice combo. .850 lift will take a lot of spring pressure. I ran a .725 lift in a sb on the street but I had oil spray bars in the valve covers to make springs live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I think you both should wrap your cars in East Indian Rosewood.... Well.....Roger.... you can use Bubinga if you must. Signed, Mr. Camry (4 cylinder, stock pistons, heads, cam....and just about everything else!!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, mopardave said: Cool. Sounds like a very nice combo. .850 lift will take a lot of spring pressure. I ran a .725 lift in a sb on the street but I had oil spray bars in the valve covers to make springs live. Not as much as you might think Dave, no lifter or pushrod inertia to reverse at high revs, and those 2.350"s are hollow stem Titanium with Beryllium seats Fords 427 Lemans Rod was a junk idea. The Rods would run all day long at 7,000 RPM, but they would spin the bearings at 7,500 RPM. It was Connie Kalita that solved the problem, he said I never had this problem with my Chrysler's and took a Ford steel crank to a crank specialist to see if they could turn it for a Chrysler Hemi Rod Journal. The problem with high RPMs back then was we just really did nt have the spring technology to run big valves at high lifts, at high RPMs at the time. The thing you have to remember about these engines is they were designed to run NASCAR. and as such, the 2.250" stock intakes were hollow stem to reduce weight. When Kalita changed the Rods, the engines were now being shifted at 8,500 RPMs, and seeing 10,000 RPM during power shifts and through the lights. Pro Stockers are 5oo cubic inches, all bore and no stroke. I don't know how connected you are, but I have been inside on design and building of a Pro Stock team. The Pro Stockers used to use 2.0 " SBC rod Journal, now the run large and small Honda Journals. The Camshafts are 1.200" lift. The Cam tunnel is larger in diameter than the main bearing saddles to clear the massive lobes, and they run 12,000 RPM through the run. I am looking to be able to hit short blips at 12,000. This engine has a 4 & 3/8" bore, slightly shortened stroke, and 0.300" shorter deck to reduce Rod length, and weight, while keeping a more efficient reduced Rod angle. A picture of one of my billet pistons Notice the extremely short distance from the top of the pin to the rings and extremely short skirts. A shot of my block 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 hour ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Not as much as you might think Dave, no lifter or pushrod inertia to reverse at high revs, and those 2.350"s are hollow stem Titanium with Beryllium seats Fords 427 Lemans Rod was a junk idea. The Rods would run all day long at 7,000 RPM, but they would spin the bearings at 7,500 RPM. It was Connie Kalita that solved the problem, he said I never had this problem with my Chrysler's and took a Ford steel crank to a crank specialist to see if they could turn it for a Chrysler Hemi Rod Journal. The problem with high RPMs back then was we just really did nt have the spring technology to run big valves at high lifts, at high RPMs at the time. The thing you have to remember about these engines is they were designed to run NASCAR. and as such, the 2.250" stock intakes were hollow stem to reduce weight. When Kalita changed the Rods, the engines were now being shifted at 8,500 RPMs, and seeing 10,000 RPM during power shifts and through the lights. Pro Stockers are 5oo cubic inches, all bore and no stroke. I don't know how connected you are, but I have been inside on design and building of a Pro Stock team. The Pro Stockers used to use 2.0 " SBC rod Journal, now the run large and small Honda Journals. The Camshafts are 1.200" lift. The Cam tunnel is larger in diameter than the main bearing saddles to clear the massive lobes, and they run 12,000 RPM through the run. I am looking to be able to hit short blips at 12,000. This engine has a 4 & 3/8" bore, slightly shortened stroke, and 0.300" shorter deck to reduce Rod length, and weight, while keeping a more efficient reduced Rod angle. A picture of one of my billet pistons Notice the extremely short distance from the top of the pin to the rings and extremely short skirts. A shot of my block Your runnin a way bigger more tech program than i. Mine just ancient recipe with better parts. I was gonna do my past 408sb with the 2.00" rod journals but it just got to expensive. I am using the smaller 2.200 chevy rod jounal in the 511. Molnar crank and rods get you high quality that stays in budget. What is the stroke your using in that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Billet Winberg arm and Carrilo Rods I am a freakin Motor head geek to the max. Can you guess what my forum name means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 On 12/20/2018 at 10:53 PM, jason str said: Its not like you get a choice of grain when you special order speakers either. If you are that worried about it the only choice is to go to a local lumberyard and hope they have something in stock to choose from. I found rosewood santos at oakwood that looks very much like what klipsch is using on the anniversary heresy. $146 for 4x8 sheet 22mil. May be going down next wk and get it. Not sure if i can oil it when finished or requires poly coat? I want to do oil finish. Gonna get the slant risers and grill cover(lambswool) ordered today. Gonna paint the backs and risers semi gloss black. Where can i find the lambswool grill material? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, mopardave said: I found rosewood santos at oakwood that looks very much like what klipsch is using on the anniversary heresy. $146 for 4x8 sheet 22mil. May be going down next wk and get it. Not sure if i can oil it when finished or requires poly coat? I want to do oil finish. Gonna get the slant risers and grill cover(lambswool) ordered today. Gonna paint the backs and risers semi gloss black. Where can i find the lambswool grill material? Dave, I want to see some pics of your speakers in progress dude, and the grain of your sheets when you get them picked out dude Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 26 minutes ago, mopardave said: Your runnin a way bigger more tech program than i. Mine just ancient recipe with better parts. I was gonna do my past 408sb with the 2.00" rod journals but it just got to expensive. I am using the smaller 2.200 chevy rod jounal in the 511. Molnar crank and rods get you high quality that stays in budget. What is the stroke your using in that? Dave, I can still appreciate the beauty of a piece like yours and just like using that 400 block, it points to better than average knowledge towards the equation at hand. By the way, your car looks nice and isn't a cookie cutter as well Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 Just now, mopardave said: I found rosewood santos at oakwood that looks very much like what klipsch is using on the anniversary heresy. $146 for 4x8 sheet 22mil. May be going down next wk and get it. Not sure if i can oil it when finished or requires poly coat? I want to do oil finish. Gonna get the slant risers and grill cover(lambswool) ordered today. Gonna paint the backs and risers semi gloss black. Where can i find the lambswool grill material? 2 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Dave, I can still appreciate the beauty of a piece like yours and just like using that 400 block, it points to better than average knowledge towards the equation at hand. By the way, your car looks nice and isn't a cookie cutter as well Rog Hey thanks man. That 400 block is a hunk of iron. Next best thing to an after market block. Not sure why chrysler built that smog block so beefy. What ever, it makes a nice platform for a stroker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Billet Winberg arm and Carrilo Rods I am a freakin Motor head geek to the max. Can you guess what my forum name means? Winberg, nice stuff for sure. Curious to the stroke of that crank your using. Got a pic of the heads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Dave, Stock 427 stroke is 3.74", this is a 3.66" stroke. These head pics are pre CNC port, which I won't picture on the web. As you can see, these ports are extremely tiny as they were ordered with the sand cores scraped to fill in the bottoms of the port floor, to allow for the 0.300" raised ports. The original port design blew through the side walls and was finished out in epoxy for flow work. This necessitated a need for new castings with not only scraped runner cores, but scraped water passages as well. The heads are a modified Bill Coon head, the caps are Ductile iron. Only four pairs of these heads exist, Bill kept one set for himself, a customer in Norway has a second set, and the remaining two are mine. The new heads also don't have those valve spring seats cut into them to allow more material for a better radius into the valve, which necessitates a slightly longer than stock valve stem. Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopardave Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, twistedcrankcammer said: Dave, Stock 427 stroke is 3.74", this is a 3.66" stroke. These head pics are pre CNC port, which I won't picture on the web. As you can see, these ports are extremely tiny as they were ordered with the sand cores scraped to fill in the bottoms of the port floor, to allow for the 0.300" raised ports. The original port design blew through the side walls and was finished out in epoxy for flow work. This necessitated a need for new castings with not only scraped runner cores, but scraped water passages as well. The heads are a modified Bill Coon head, the caps are Ductile iron. Only four pairs of these heads exist, Bill kept one set for himself, a customer in Norway has a second set, and the remaining two are mine. Rog Sweet! gonna make lots of power. I'm 55 now. Been a gearhead since i was 14. I'm not up on the ford stuff, but you have a awesome program there. Been thinking about doing the Hemi head conversion on my wedge block, but it gets real pricey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedcrankcammer Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 minute ago, mopardave said: Sweet! gonna make lots of power. I'm 55 now. Been a gearhead since i was 14. I'm not up on the ford stuff, but you have a awesome program there. Been thinking about doing the Hemi head conversion on my wedge block, but it gets real pricey. Dave, I know a lot about what it takes to build power with a Hemi. Hemis are neat, but they really shine when under boost. The biggest downfall of the Hemi design is all the extra piston weight of a huge dome Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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