DizRotus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Let me preface by stating that an eBay “auction” is not a true auction with competing bidding until the bidding stops, with the high bidder the winner. An eBay auction is more like a silent auction, where each bidder writes down his/her bid, with the high bid winning. The use of the word auction below takes the foregoing into consideration. Who knows the eBay rules? If @Montego “won” the auction, how can the item be re-listed? If the seller is permitted to reject a bid of $500 on a listing that says, “ Best Offer,” how can $500 not win? Surely “Best Offer” doesn’t contemplate offers in excess of $500, that is the normal bidding process. As previously mentioned, I have been in text contact with the seller. If these are worth it to a forum member at, or near, $500, I will assist in acquiring them, including payment in cash, only after collecting them. They’re less than 20 miles from me. Apparently, the seller has no eBay experience, and it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montego Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The listing I bid on did not state 'best offer'. The present listing does as you already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 All this nonsense is making me think that maybe I should sell mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Montego said: The listing I bid on did not state 'best offer'. The present listing does as you already know. We should talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, kevinmi said: All this nonsense is making me think that maybe I should sell mine! Please, not before I get to visit. 😉 Seriously, you and @Montego should talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, DizRotus said: Please, not before I get to visit. 😉 You guys are still invited to come up for a listen. I'm having surgery this Wednesday, so we can plan something any time after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, kevinmi said: You guys are still invited to come up for a listen. I'm having surgery this Wednesday, so we can plan something any time after that. Best wishes regarding your surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, DizRotus said: Best wishes regarding your surgery. Thanks. I'm not looking forward to having surgery, but it will be nice to get rid of the constant pain. Besides, it's outpatient surgery as long as there are no complications. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Given the unusual history of the eBay offerings for these speakers, I did not make an offer or place a sniped bid. They have not yet been re-listed. Apparently, the seller will not consider anything less than $1,000. At that price, I suspect he’ll own them for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 19 hours ago, DizRotus said: Given the unusual history of the eBay offerings for these speakers, I did not make an offer or place a sniped bid. They have not yet been re-listed. Apparently, the seller will not consider anything less than $1,000. At that price, I suspect he’ll own them for a while. It's too bad the seller doesn't seem to be straight up. As for wanting $1000.00 for them, I'm sure someone would be hard pressed to find a better sounding speaker at that price point. But who would pay that kind of money for a pair of used virtually unknown brand speakers? I think it would have to be someone who is a dedicated Frazier fan for sure.The other thing is even if you were a dedicated Frazier fan, the speakers haven't really shown any appreciation like so many other vintage lines of speakers. Is it possible that they are "sleepers" and may someday be worth a lot of money? Are they the ones that got away? Time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 hours ago, kevinmi said: It's too bad the seller doesn't seem to be straight up. As for wanting $1000.00 for them, I'm sure someone would be hard pressed to find a better sounding speaker at that price point. But who would pay that kind of money for a pair of used virtually unknown brand speakers? I think it would have to be someone who is a dedicated Frazier fan for sure.The other thing is even if you were a dedicated Frazier fan, the speakers haven't really shown any appreciation like so many other vintage lines of speakers. Is it possible that they are "sleepers" and may someday be worth a lot of money? Are they the ones that got away? Time will tell. I couldn’t have said it better myself, with one exception. I don’t perceive his actions as being less than “straight up,” but an indication of his lack of understanding of the market, as you so accurately described it above. I agree for $1,000 it would be difficult to buy better speakers, but the pool of Frazier aficionados is very shallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I can just see dragging those in to most living rooms in the burbs......of course I would. Limited buyers , yep.....patients...yep. Question, those piezo tweeters ?? Are they considered "acceptable "by the "audiophile communty" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montego Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Before the listing ended I asked what the speakers looked like on the top and sides. He replied walnut. He then chose not to honor the transaction and didn't respond to any communication afterward. I'll keep my perception to myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Montego said: I'll keep my perception to myself. If I were you, I'd be pissed. My perception is that he doesn't really want to sell them for less than $1,000. He could have interpreted your questions as qualifying your "acceptance" at $500, thus, in his mind, giving him an out. I feel like the matchmaker in Fiddler On The Roof by suggesting that you contact @kevinmi sometime next week (he's having surgery tomorrow). He might be easier to deal with regarding his Frazier 7s. Of course, you can't have them until after I have an opportunity to visit Kevin to hear them and his Khorns. I'll wait a few days and send an email to the eBay seller inviting him to contact me if he again thinks of selling them. If I hear anything, I'll share it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Fish said: Question, those piezo tweeters ?? Are they considered "acceptable "by the "audiophile communty"? Certain piezo tweeters, used with a crossover designed for them, can sound very good. Dennis (djk) posted info about using them to great success. Most folk just use a small cap with them so they aren't optimized. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Marvel said: Certain piezo tweeters, used with a crossover designed for them, can sound very good. Dennis (djk) posted info about using them to great success. Most folk just use a small cap with them so they aren't optimized. Thanks, I know I've heard some that were terrible. I've also heard some that were at least pretty good. I have some in a set of garage speakers and at a little distance they do a good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 7:29 PM, Fish said: Thanks, I know I've heard some that were terrible. I've also heard some that were at least pretty good. I have some in a set of garage speakers and at a little distance they do a good job. The piezo tweeters on my pair of 7's sound really good,. I was skeptical at first, especially since there were 2 of them. Both the tweeter circuit and midrange circuit have adjustable l-pads, so you can tweak the loudness. On a different note, I recall reading that they made a version of the 7's that used a horn tweeter instead, which is the more sought after version. Perhaps Mallett could verify that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Glad to see you’re up to posting Kevin @kevinmi. Hope everything came out OK yesterday. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, DizRotus said: Glad to see you’re up to posting Kevin @kevinmi. Hope everything came out OK yesterday. 😉 I survived! They were able to do it laparoscopic-ally, so it was outpatient surgery. 4 incisions, and they glued me back shut. I have no bandages or dressings whatsoever! I'm hoping that you, Claude, and maybe Mopardave can plan a trip up here in a week or so. I'm sure I'll be pretty stir-crazy by then and in need of some company! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 How's your recovery @kevinmi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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