Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, richieb said: === her viewpoint, this subject makes Martina ripe to run for Congress — Your statement is going down the political route and if it continues the thread will be locked....Just sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Your statement means it just got political and likely the thread will be locked....Just sayin'. === yeah, the past has shown me you would Never cross that line - give me a f——n break— Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Just now, richieb said: === yeah, the past has shown me you would Never cross that line - give me a f——n break— I don't cry about it and try to keep it on this side of the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: I don't see where she's saying that they shouldn't be allowed to compete in Men's sports. I think that is the difference. What? Did my generalization not makes sense? Its easy to get flip flopped in some of these negative number discussions. But yes I agree, feel free to compete where your DNA allows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Seriously. If this is about Transgender people in Sports then it's a legitimate topic that shouldn't go beyond the rules. OTOH, if anyone is going to make fun of Transgender people then that is obviously out of line. That's my take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: Seriously. If this is about Transgender people in Sports then it's a legitimate topic that shouldn't go beyond the rules. OTOH, if anyone is going to make fun of Transgender people then that is obviously out of line. That's my take. Well its a little deeper than that Zen. When does a man "actually" become a woman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Max2 said: What? Did my generalization not makes sense? Its easy to get flip flopped in some of these negative number discussions. But yes I agree, feel free to compete where your DNA allows. I understand that's your opinion but I was clarifying what Martina Navratilova seemed to be saying in the links. She didn't say "DNA" and instead implied advantage due to Male Hormones. 20 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: I think Martina makes a valid point that only women who aren't transgender be allowed to compete in leagues designed for Women....Otoh, Men's sports are supposed to be more challenging without limits to the original rules and Transgenders would fit more naturally in those completion's regardless where they started from biologically. Remember, Bruce Jenner won his Olympic medals as a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 21 minutes ago, Max2 said: Well its a little deeper than that Zen. When does a man "actually" become a woman? That seems to be a larger discussion that what would be allowed in this forum. Don't get me wrong, I love delving in these issues but some folks get disgruntled and then the thread gets locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I win! I really beat the girls! Wait, I mean..... Bizarre, Cult like and offensive for the female athlete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Peeps get disgruntled when they only had an option to see it. 20 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: That seems to be a larger discussion that what would be allowed in this forum. Don't get me wrong, I love delving in these issues but some folks get disgruntled and then the thread gets locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, Max2 said: I win! I really beat the girls! Wait, I mean..... That is exactly what Martina was talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Zen Traveler said: That is exactly what Martina was talking about. I don't think anyone is arguing that here. Its basic math for most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Max2 said: I don't think anyone is arguing that here. Its basic math for most. The point you seem to be missing is that if that person wants to compete they can't in the Women's, but have more chance of winning the argument in the Men's event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, Max2 said: When does a man "actually" become a woman? They don't. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: They don't. Exactly. At least not in a physical state, but in their mind is where it is different. It comes down to the brain in the end, and where this meets with rationalizing and reasoning is why these male/female entities cant grasp the moral and ethical aspect of having a physical advantage over the females genetic build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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babadono Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I want to have my lah a lah cut off and a lah a lah a lah carved into me, yea I'm not crazy, nothing to see here move along. All so I can compete with REAL women. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Then there's women competing against women while they're taking testosterone injections while trying to become men. It's an unfair advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max2 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 40 minutes ago, babadono said: I want to have my lah a lah cut off and a lah a lah a lah carved into me, yea I'm not crazy, nothing to see here move along. All so I can compete with REAL women. That's the thing, you don't even have to remove it to compete with women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 10 minutes ago, Max2 said: That's the thing, you don't even have to remove it to compete with women I think that there was a high school wrestler in TX that wrestled against the girls while still "intact". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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