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Jeff Matthews

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1 hour ago, CECAA850 said:

The closest that they came to anything political was the bathroom issue in the Carolinas but talked about the real world application as opposed to the political.

Fwiw, we had to deal with the "bathroom issue," before it even hit the courts here in Texas. We settled on letting them use the one they felt most appropriate and never had a problem. 

 

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1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said:

Organized sports don't affect my life one iota.

They affect the society in which you live because so many place such importance on them.  The highest office in the land makes comments and judgements regarding these privately owned businesses.  Your last sentence demonstrates the interconnection.  Sports as a political statement and weapon go back to the founding civilizations of western societies. 

I can't argue against that but feel many people put too much emphasis on sports and not enough on politics. You can have political discussions that don't pertain to sports and most people would be surprised that the major Sports venues are paid for by a form of Socialism--IOW, Taxpayers are helping to fund Million Dollar athletes and those "privately owned business," are reaping the rewards. 

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1 hour ago, Dave A said:

Double standard. If you care about competition in sports you care what sex they are too.

I have already expressed my opinion on the subject and feel for the most part Women's sports are the ones impacted. Insofar as Men's sports are concerned I have no problem with them evaluating how they wish to handle it.

1 hour ago, Dave A said:

 

Look the whole thing boils down to what sex you were born with and the unfair advantage mentally aberrant people wish to acquire by competing against women because they can't win championships against men.

I'm not sure/don't think most transgenders fall into the category you suggest but feel your opinion may be bordering on going against Forum Rules.

1 hour ago, Dave A said:

 

What religious person do you know that is stranger than a parent who puts their grade school child on hormone therapy to screw around with the child's body before the kid has even thought seriously about sex? Now the idea you can find a fringe lunatic religious person I have no doubt but these sex mutilating parents are a whole new level of strange.

You obviously haven't studied the topic but parents aren't allowed to "mutilate" their kids and actually Hormone Therapy gives them a chance to decide if they really want to go through with the operation when they get legal age....Insofar as strange religious people are concerned, people who teach their children they are sinners would be a good place to start, but....

1 hour ago, Dave A said:

 

I know this was not your comment but I grabbed it from your post. Why encourage insanity and say it is OK? He is a HE with a mutilated body incapable of doing what a women's body was designed to do. Men help make babies and women carry and birth babies. The two are different and that this is even a topic of discussion is a clear sign of how dangerously out of kilter the world has become.  So doctors can give the appearance of the opposite sex they don't have biologically accurate nor biologically correctly functioning parts.

Again, there are things that I don't understand about this topic but feel you are making value judgement based on your beliefs and not considering the rights of others.

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44 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

Again, there are things that I don't understand about this topic but feel you are making value judgement based on your beliefs and not considering the rights of others.

No one is saying that adults don't have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies.  The problem arises when they demand to be recognized as having actually changed the gender that they were born with.  It's biologically impossible. 

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38 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:

No one is saying that adults don't have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies.  The problem arises when they demand to be recognized as having actually changed the gender that they were born with.  It's biologically impossible. 

What you see as a "problem" others see as a right.  Like it or not, there are people who identify as transgender and Sports will have to make the adjustment. It seems we all agree that a transgender person shouldn't be allowed to compete as a women because of the male hormones either administered or born with...Btw, it's also biologically impossible to change your hair color but a lot of people do it and it's acceptable. 

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1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said:

Again, there are things that I don't understand about this topic but feel you are making value judgement based on your beliefs and not considering the rights of others.

That is an interesting choice of words. Parents are responsible for their children and held to be so legally. Yet somehow liberal policies where this sex stuff is concerned, parents are then told they will be prosecuted and children taken away because when the child is told they can be whatever sex they want and encouraged to do so at school, then parent says no and then gets in trouble. So whose rights are important here? The biological parents or the liberal guidance whatevers at school? 

 

  There are indeed two sets of value judgements here. Mine is based on biological function from the beginning of mankind that has been proven to work and the other is a social construct meant to change things that do work into things that don't. Somehow though each group of people that propose to rewrite things are going to be the ones smart enough to finally do it .....without failure. They always sadly fail and history adds them to the reasons why certain principles work and others don't.

 

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19 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

What you see as a "problem" others see as a right.  Like it or not, there are people who identify as transgender and Sports will have to make the adjustment. It seems we all agree that a transgender person shouldn't be allowed to compete as a women because of the male hormones either administered or born with...Btw, it's also biologically impossible to change your hair color but a lot of people do it and it's acceptable. 

Which one is it. " there are people who identify as transgender and Sports will have to make the adjustment" or "It seems we all agree that a transgender person shouldn't be allowed to compete as a women because of the male hormones either administered or born with" These are diametrically opposed statements. Yes and my hair has turned gray as I get older but my sex has not. Hair color? Really? I also get a tan in the summer but I still remain a man.

  I have a question. Why should the right of maybe 2% of the population supercede the rights of the rest of the population? How do you determine this? Subject the 98% to legal tyranny for the 2%? You have to know in time that will create real and serious problems and is why this stuff has always failed throughout history.

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6 minutes ago, Dave A said:

Subject the 98% to legal tyranny for the 2%? You have to know in time that will create real and serious problems and is why this stuff has always failed throughout history.

Because they can afford high powered lawyers?  Dang, I think you may be onto something here.

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46 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

What you see as a "problem" others see as a right.  Like it or not, there are people who identify as transgender and Sports will have to make the adjustment. It seems we all agree that a transgender person shouldn't be allowed to compete as a women because of the male hormones either administered or born with...Btw, it's also biologically impossible to change your hair color but a lot of people do it and it's acceptable. 

Just because you dye your hair blond doesn't make you a natural blond.

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36 minutes ago, Dave A said:

Parents are responsible for their children and held to be so legally.

Correct.

36 minutes ago, Dave A said:

Yet somehow liberal policies where this sex stuff is concerned, parents are then told they will be prosecuted and children taken away because when the child is told they can be whatever sex they want and encouraged to do so at school, then parent says no and then gets in trouble.

I didn't realize this was happening.

36 minutes ago, Dave A said:

So whose rights are important here? The biological parents or the liberal guidance whatevers at school? 

Parents come first but guidance counselors (liberal an conservative) should also look out for the wellbeing of the child. 

 

26 minutes ago, Dave A said:

Which one is it. " there are people who identify as transgender and Sports will have to make the adjustment" or "It seems we all agree that a transgender person shouldn't be allowed to compete as a women because of the male hormones either administered or born with" These are diametrically opposed statements.

They aren't. Transgender shouldn't be allowed to compete in Women's events but I think there is a case to be made for them to compete with the men. 

 

27 minutes ago, Dave A said:

I have a question. Why should the right of maybe 2% of the population supercede the rights of the rest of the population? How do you determine this? Subject the 98% to legal tyranny for the 2%? You have to know in time that will create real and serious problems and is why this stuff has always failed throughout history.

I am not sure what rights you think transgender folks are treading on but outside of Women's sports it really seems like a non-issue.

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