The FL Panhandle Has Been Forgotten

[oldtimer]

Hypocrisy is perhaps the largest problem confronting the country.

 

BTW, does anyone have a soap box they want to get rid of?  I seem to have lost mine.

[oldtimer]

From Charlie Sheen, but it is too appropriate.

I wish I could make a lot of it go away, but they wouldn’t call it the past if it wasn’t.”

“That I violated, but again, I didn’t go to prison, I didn’t kill anybody,” he added.  

(---of course someone has stated that they could get away with it if they wanted to)

[Jeff Matthews]

4 hours ago, HDBRbuilder said:

OBVIOUSLY, you have NO IDEA about how the national debt thing even WORKS, or the repurcussions  of it on the taxpayers over time, to INCLUDE how close we can become to defaulting on it!  

 

So , again, LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU!!

 

You are only MINUTELY PARTIALLY correct, UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS NOT NEAR ENOUGH understanding about the national debt!!  Out national debt has interest accruing on it every single day...and that interest HAS TO BE PAID!!  We are currently at high-risk of being able to continue even paying the INTEREST on the national DEBT, to begin with!  ADDING MORE TO THE NATIONAL DEBT will eventually cause the government to default on JUST the interest payments...and will RUIN our economy!

 

Expansion of Social benefits programs over the years, along with totally wasteful spending above the anticipated revenues yearly over the decades, with NO EFFECTIVE BALANCED BUDGET LAW really in place, have gotten us to being VERY CLOSE to government bankruptcy!  National bankruptcy avoidance is NOW the major issue!

 

The days of Congress filling out blank checks each year for expenditures that exceed anticipated annual revenue income SHOULD HAVE BEEN OVER DECADES AGO...but still continues!!  The  President has to decide whether to sign those checks, or not, but even if he decides NOT TO sign them, then Congress can force the signature by over-riding the Presidential veto....so blame for our national debt resides almost 100% with what Congress decides to do!!  And, in turn, since the voters are who put these lunatic SPEND-WHAT-YOU-DON'T-HAVE jerks INTO Congress, it is the voters who REALLY are responsible to atone for it!  You might just want to check on the candidates for congressional offices before voting, because a huge number of them have defaulted and declared personal bankruptcy one or more times in their past!  Get it??  

 

Anybody but the most ludicrous of morons should ALREADY KNOW THIS!...and those people who DON'T want to be perceived as "ludicrous morons" should ALREADY BE VERY CONCERNED about our CURRENT national debt, and how to PAY IT DOWN, instead of adding more to it!!!...especially if they tend to spout-off about things they JUST DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A CLUE about!

You and Ron Paul.  DOOMSAYERS!  One day, a COMET will HIT the earth.  NOBODY will care about the debt anymore.  Get it?  Bone up on ASTRONOMY!

 

Here's my prediction, and you can bank on this:  You WILL go to your GRAVE, and the debt will still not be paid.  I hope all your WORRY will seem WORTH IT when you're lying on your DEATH BED!

 

(All caps, lol)

[HDBRbuilder]

28 minutes ago, Jeff Matthews said:

You and Ron Paul.  DOOMSAYERS!  One day, a COMET will HIT the earth.  NOBODY will care about the debt anymore.  Get it?  Bone up on ASTRONOMY!

 

Here's my prediction, and you can bank on this:  You WILL go to your GRAVE, and the debt will still not be paid.  I hope all your WORRY will seem WORTH IT when you're lying on your DEATH BED!

 

(All caps, lol)

Thank You, Alfred E. Neuman!!

[babadono]

On 4/10/2019 at 12:56 PM, HDBRbuilder said:

Wrong....the quote is: those who FAIL TO LEARN from history are doomed to repeat it, and this is what it REALLY teaches us...

The quote I like is: "History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme" -- Mark Twain

Now back to our thread.......

[oldtimer]

There are lots of quotes.

Quoth the raven---Nevermore.

[HDBRbuilder]

25 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

There are lots of quotes.

Quoth the raven---Nevermore.

My favorite quote is:  "It takes a big man to whip me, but it doesn't take him very long!"

[boom3]

"Class! Class!" (sound of ruler smacking desk)

 

I kicked over a hornet's nest, but I did not intend for it to spin off into politics or riffs about socialism. I was and am angry and disheartened about my part of America being passed by in its hour of need. I am pretty conservative, as I suspect are most of the members of this forum.

 

Some of you know I am a New Orleans historian. Let me make one more point and then I will rest my case about this tragedy.

Pre-Katrina:

New Orleans had a large population of people who lived in inherited housing with little or no insurance.

Besides tourism, medical services, and crime, New Orleans had a small economy relative to its pre-K population.

Post-K:

A large number of people left never to return. The cachet of New Orleans-"America's most exotic city"- induced outside investors to bring big money in, and encouraged natives with money to invest in gambits they would never had tried pre-Katrina.

 

In the Panhandle: Most people lived in houses they owned or were buying. Very little "legacy" housing.

Bay county had a robust industrial base (and still does) and a port that seems to be holding its own.

It also has 2 military bases, one of which was severely damaged, with no appropriation yet to fix it.

 

My point is:

If not for outside investors swooping in to get a piece of New Orleans, that city would have been reduced to a medium-sized town with a lot of rot around the edges. Bay county has no such cachet. True, the same developers who want to pave everything from Destin to Tampa with strip malls and condos are looking hungrily at the situation. but there is no lure like N'awlins can offer.  The Government did not rescue New Orleans. It was outside money. With no government will at the state or federal level, Bay county and parts of Gulf Co.  are just going to just rot. The "jack o' lantern effect" of a few restored houses on otherwise empty blocks that we see in parts of the "Nint Wahd" of New Orleans will become the norm here soon.

 

 

[dtel]

What your saying sounds like most of the coast, they never did have the draw of N.O. and is very slow to come back to even what it was before. But being on the coast or close it will come back but take a very long time, and some are just scared, can't blame them.

 

Until about 1969 we lived in the ninth ward, 813 Forstall street one block from Holy Cross. This was before it turned into what it is known for now, it was nice back then.

[Zen Traveler]

On ‎4‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 7:56 PM, boom3 said:

"Class! Class!" (sound of ruler smacking desk)

 

I kicked over a hornet's nest, but I did not intend for it to spin off into politics or riffs about socialism. I was and am angry and disheartened about my part of America being passed by in its hour of need. I am pretty conservative, as I suspect are most of the members of this forum.

  

Some of you know I am a New Orleans historian. Let me make one more point and then I will rest my case about this tragedy.

 

I think you are correct about the make-up about the forum  but it's a lot like it in my state of Texas.-- am in a 45/55 minority but when you realize the difference it isn't a drastic amount of people and becomes relative. As mentioned, when you discuss government it IS about politics...I think you started a good topic but unfortunately talking about solutions (or even how government should  be involved) it will turn political....After it being banned on this forum for the last couple years I have developed a new appreciation for it and don't understand why civil discourse can't be had on these topics. 

On ‎4‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 9:33 PM, Gilbert said:

Looks like there's a deleted thread. Let me illustrate another way.

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I think the thread you are talking about is "Angry White Men," and it got shut down because there are a lot of conservative (although I don't know what it means anymore) and as much as I love you Gilbert, I reported the post above just to see if it got erased....It didn't so I rest my case. Sincerely hope you and your family are doing well. {Edit Note: It's only the 3rd post I've EVER REPORTED} 

 

On ‎4‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 12:42 PM, Jeff Matthews said:

;;;There are millenia of experience behind our current policies. Those who fail to appreciate history are doomed to repeat it.

 

P.S.  Zen, this is how you discuss politics without having to resort to parties and candidates.

Hey, good to see ya posting, Jeff! Thanks for the lesson, but after this response you acquiesced sooner than myself and the thread would've been locked! I just can't hang with it brotha and think we should lobby for a Klipsch Civil Political Forum. You and me could be the moderators.  

[Gilbert]

On 4/10/2019 at 11:18 AM, HDBRbuilder said:

It all boils down to ONE REALITY:  NOBODY is responsible for acts of nature which cause devastation!  PERIOD!

You cannot blame the government, politicians, religious groups or anything else...JUST NATURE!  THAT'S IT!

 

That about sums it all up, yet every that "Act of God" comes along, there's a group of loud mouthed jackasses out there trying to turn into something political. 

[HDBRbuilder]

1 hour ago, Gilbert said:

 

That about sums it all up, yet every that "Act of God" comes along, there's a group of loud mouthed jackasses out there trying to turn into something political. 

And now YOU have gotten ME to "bask in my own wonderfulness" again! HAHAHAHAHA!

[Zen Traveler]

2 hours ago, Gilbert said:

 

That about sums it all up, yet every that "Act of God" comes along, there's a group of loud mouthed jackasses out there trying to turn into something political. 

I gather you posting your Socialist meme fits into that category. LOL! {EDIT: It is the responsibility of Government to get infrastructure back in place and that the people that are responsible for rebuilding to make sure that it happens on the larger scale...It becomes "political" when those elected officials don't do their job effectively and as their constituents expect--Evidently that is what started this thread unless the OP blames all Americans or the people of the area not in government.}

[Gilbert]

On 4/10/2019 at 10:46 PM, Jeff Matthews said:

Just to be clear, I was only being sarcastic to show that your argument that government workers are a waste of tax dollars is wrong. 

 

If they "Gov. Worker" wear a suit and push a pen, I would be inclined to say it's a waste of my tax dollars. If risking it all is part of the job description, then give them whatever they need and pamper them if they make it back home.

 

Jeff's cool Andy, he's just probing for soft spots.