moray james Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 interesting looking loudspeaker could you provide a link or additional information? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, moray james said: interesting looking loudspeaker could you provide a link or additional information? thanks. Moray, is this what you are looking for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARX Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, moray james said: interesting looking loudspeaker could you provide a link or additional information? thanks. Sure, here's a link to the later version of this product line. Don't forget to check their loudspeaker processing technology, called NEWTON, which is undoubtedly the most advanced on the market. So far, it's only available for MacOS. This is an earlier version of the same horn top, which is loaded with B&C drivers: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 And yet JBL goes with the inverse of mumps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARX Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Yes, but the (4) buttocks of the M2 WG serve a slightly different purpose, namely wide dispersion. It's basically a reinterpretation of the old 2344. The mumps in the K510 improve pattern control as well as loading of the driver. The M2 waveguide doesn't load the driver well, because it's very shallow: If you want to manipulate the wavefront in a similar way, but at higher frequencies, you'll end up with something like this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 On 6/10/2019 at 10:31 AM, ARX said: Mumps...Klipsch isn't the only manufacturer to integrate those in horn designs. This is an Italian 2 way horn-loaded cabinet from the mid 2000s: ...here's a link to the later version of this product line. They are in apparent violation of a Klipsch patent: "Acoustic horn having internally raised geometric shapes", https://patents.google.com/patent/US7686129B2/en?inventor=Rogelio+Delgado&oq=inventor:(Rogelio+Delgado) Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 How can an Italian company that had these in full production in the mid 2000's be in violation of a U.S. patent that wasn't granted until 2010? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 The patent application was filed in 2007 (reading the history at Google patents). I'm not a lawyer, but it sure looks like either: 1) Klipsch is licensing the technology to Outline, or 2) Outline is in apparent violation of US7686129. Whether or not they try to ship to the US is a matter of patent law, in other words: it would be in apparent violation if anyone tried to ship those Italian-made loudspeakers to the US. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polizzio Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 18 minutes ago, Deang said: How can an Italian company that had these in full production in the mid 2000's be in violation of a U.S. patent that wasn't granted until 2010? Doesn't matter anyway, a US patent does not apply globally. You don't have to be a lawyer to search valid info on the interwebs. "Simply put, a patent protects an invention or discovery. Obtaining a patent for your invention is a smart way to discourage others from making and using—or profiting from—your work. Obtaining a patent in the US does not guarantee international protection of your intellectual property—USPTO patents are only effective in the US. There is no "international patent" that will protect an invention all over the world." source: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/does-your-us-patent-trademark-or-copyright-protect-you-overseas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted February 24, 2020 Moderators Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, polizzio said: Doesn't matter anyway, a US patent does not apply globally. You don't have to be a lawyer to search valid info on the interwebs. "Simply put, a patent protects an invention or discovery. Obtaining a patent for your invention is a smart way to discourage others from making and using—or profiting from—your work. Obtaining a patent in the US does not guarantee international protection of your intellectual property—USPTO patents are only effective in the US. There is no "international patent" that will protect an invention all over the world." source: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/does-your-us-patent-trademark-or-copyright-protect-you-overseas Exactly, you have to look at the trade agreement. Do the US and Italy/EU have an agreement where they recognize the patents of the other? Is foriegn registration required to be valid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I'm not a lawyer either. The point I was trying to make is that the Outline unit shown was in production before the patent was granted, and probably before the application date. Since they were already in production and being sold, one would think any R&D was performed well before the Klipsch patent. No matter, it's just interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polizzio Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 It's how the Chinese get away with copying anything, be it Japanese motorcycles or German designed amplifiers. There is no world wide patent. 30 years ago, it was the Russians copying and building tractors. Belarus if I remember correct. The Chinese manufacturing/sales machine has copied so many items. Small engines, portable generators, motorcycles, designer clothing and items, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polizzio Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, Deang said: The point I was trying to make is that the Outline unit shown was in production before the patent was granted, and probably before the application date. Since they were already in production and being sold, one would think any R&D was performed well before the Klipsch patent. 10-4 and I was in agreement with you, the timetable of events. Another article on patent protection and rights, and the costs of enforcing patent infringements: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-get-international-patent-protection.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I believe that it's a patent violation--if Klipsch hasn't licensed the technology. I'd certainly treat it as such. It means that it can go to court to be decided--if the patent holder chooses that path. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIPS_Agreement Quote The Agreement on Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) is an international legal agreement between all the member nations of the World Trade Organization (WTO). It sets down minimum standards for the regulation by national governments of many forms of intellectual property (IP) as applied to nationals of other WTO member nations.[3] Specifically, TRIPS requires WTO members to provide copyright rights, covering authors and other copyright holders, as well as holders of related rights, namely performers, sound recording producers and broadcasting organisations; geographical indications; industrial designs; integrated circuit layout-designs; patents; new plant varieties; trademarks; trade names and undisclosed or confidential information. TRIPS also specifies enforcement procedures, remedies, and dispute resolution procedures. Protection and enforcement of all intellectual property rights shall meet the objectives to contribute to the promotion of technological innovation and to the transfer and dissemination of technology, to the mutual advantage of producers and users of technological knowledge and in a manner conducive to social and economic welfare, and to a balance of rights and obligations. WTO membership map: green means they're member of the WTO (light green means they are also EU members), blue means WTO observers, gray means neither members nor observers. __________________________________________________________ Worldwide patent events for US7686129B2: 2007-08-30 Priority to US11/897,379, Application filed by Klipsch LLC 2009-03-05 Publication of US20090057052A1 2010-03-30 Publication of US7686129B2 2010-03-30 Application granted, Application status is Active 2027-09-18 Adjusted expiration Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 https://www.quora.com/Can-someone-patent-someone-elses-product-which-is-already-in-use-but-isnt-patented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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