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On 8/9/2019 at 11:53 AM, babadono said:

What does this statement even mean?

That was written up above the Tobacco Institute as you walked in, I always thought it had a nice ring.

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15 hours ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said:

 

 

Yes, this is a life-long hobby and passion for me,  have a day job, but best of all, I finally found the solution on amps. 

Um no, you found your solution on amps.  

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1 hour ago, Jeffrey D. Medwin said:

 

 

Absolutely.  Different people will have different levels of audio listening experience, with different gear over their lifetimes !!

Um no, people have the listening ability they have, it peaks, and on average declines.

 

Some people have perfect pitch, most do not.  

 

Audio listening experience doesn't improve you ability to hear, or judge audio quality.  That has been proven over and over again.

 

It's like staring at an eye chart for 4 hours a day isn't going to improve your vision.

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On 8/12/2019 at 12:50 PM, Don Richard said:

The importance of wires and cables increases as cable length and the frequencies that the wiring carries increases. Audio frequencies are low relative to UHF, and wiring is less critical for audio, especially home audio, where loudspeakers are usually located less than 25 feet from the amplifiers that drive them. Commercial installations that may use hundreds of feet of wire are a different matter.

 

If an audio enthusiast is using inefficient loudspeakers that require a lot of power it may be important to pay attention to wire size and to the temperature rating of the wire's insulation. Otherwise, a general recommendation of 16 gage or larger is sufficient and it doesn't hurt a thing to go larger.

 

As far as uber expensive wires, I consider them to be a waste of money as I have never heard any difference between them and much less expensive wires. I would never buy any component without listening to them first. I can easily discern a difference between amplifiers, preamps, speakers, phono cartridges, CD players, and DACs but not between wires.YMMV

 

 

 

I agree fully about speaker wires.

 

The wisest thing about speaker cable choices I ever read was recently on another audio forum:

 

 

The most important Characteristic of Speaker Cables is ........

 

    Length. If they are not long enough to reach from your Amplifier to your speaker, you will not hear anything at all.

 

 

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27 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:

Um no, you found your solution on amps.  

 

I don't understand your post, and what you mean here.  Can you make it easier for me please?

 

Thanks!!

 

I always like to see your responses.

 

Jeffrey Medwin

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1 hour ago, CECAA850 said:

That basically means that anybody can say anything on any audio related subject and it can't be proved wrong because they say that it's so.

Yep, pretty much how all of audio is,.or was, until PWK came along and brought physics and engineering principles onto play, and wrote about them in peer reviewed journals.

 

I wish Bose had a forum, some folks would really fit in other there.

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Just now, Jeffrey D. Medwin said:

 

I don't understand your post, and what you mean here.  Can you make it easier for me please?

 

Thanks!!

 

I always like to see your responses.

 

Jeffrey Medwin

I know you don't understand it.  You didn't find THE solution to amps, you found YOUR individual solution, to YOUR individual amp problem. It works for YOU,  and that's great.

 

As to whether it will work for anyone else, it's a total crap shoot.

 

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, yamahaSHO said:

So I got these headphones...

What is the length of the cable?  Or are they wireless?

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From the Stereophile article previously linked:

 

But what Fulton was doing with his loudspeakers struck a responsive chord in many audiophiles. The 80 rapidly became one of the most popular small speaker systems among listeners who were aware of its existence and attuned to the sound of live music. Interestingly but not surprisingly, it had little appeal for listeners with no associations of live-music experience, but the reactions of those who did were positive and, eventually, fiercely loyal. The FMI 80 touched them in a way no other speaker system had, and when FMI announced other, costlier speakers, there was a ready-made market of 80 owners prepared to assume that the bigger FMIs would be just as musical as the 80 but with more highs and lows.

When we reviewed the 80, we did find a couple of relatively minor things to complain about. (Although one of them was not the 12kHz peak that another reviewer claimed to have heard.) And Mr. Fulton responded by redesigning the speaker. He is still redesigning it, on what now appears to be a 4-month cycle.

And when other FMI models started appearing, those too became subject to an endless series of modifications until it became obvious to us that, until we could go from typewriter to post office with the magazine in a month or less, it was virtually a waste of time to review FMI's speakers because they were changing faster than we were publishing. Thus, by the time a report got in print, the speaker reviewed had more often than not already been obsoleted by a later, "improved" version.


Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/fulton-musical-industries-model-80-j-modular-loudspeakers-fmi-cult#pmFAGhpBuQJ7FPkY.99

 

Just one mod away!

 

 

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11 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:

What is the length of the cable?  Or are they wireless?

 

A little bit of column A and a little bit of column B.

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4 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:

Just one mod away!

 

Travis-

 

Please put us out of our misery!  This forum has standards like the other audio forums that yanked the welcome mat.

 

Reminds me of that Paul McCartney song, Ban[ne]d On The Run.

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17 minutes ago, DizRotus said:

This forum has standards like the other audio forums that yanked the welcome mat.

One of our main standards is the TOS.  PM me with violations or possibly report a post that breaks them.  Opinions are still allowed no matter how ludicrous they seem.

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48 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:

I know you don't understand it.  You didn't find THE solution to amps, you found YOUR individual solution, to YOUR individual amp problem. It works for YOU,  and that's great.

 

As to whether it will work for anyone else, it's a total crap shoot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

My goodness, no need to use the words " crap shoot "  on a public forum.  Its degrading .

 

Better to use the words " not yet determined" or " unknown at this point ".

 

Regarding  the topic you bring up, my plans are that I will further evaluate this amp, on others' systems. 

 

1) I started by schlepping it to and from Montana two weeks ago, where a panel of five listened, VS excellent sounding Serious Stereo 2A3 amps.

 

2) It next goes to a huge ALTEC A2 or A4   venue   ( 1911 K.C. firehouse, multiple 515Bs and 288s  ) , versus a Yamomoto A-08 Type 45 amp,  for maybe a month.

 

( That is " no contest  " actually , my Type 45 amps from 2 yeas ago killed his Yamomoto, and I now think  this newest amp  is WAY beyond anything ever built ).

 

3) I know of one Klipschorn owner in K.C. area, and maybe I can schlep the amp over there, and let him hear it, perhaps he will report up here, if he cares to.

 

 

So Travis , lets change the word " crap shoot " to " undetermined at this time ".  That seems reasonable to me, would you concur sir ??

 

Amps are the weak link in all High Efficiency audio systems, is my contention.   

 

Thanks .  Best.

 

Jeffrey Medwin

 

 

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I vote to retain crap shoot, including its pun-ishing aspect.

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Why is this still going?  Most of the people talking about sound quality and differences here are probably old and lost a significant portion of their hearing...  Just saying.

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1 minute ago, yamahaSHO said:

Why is this still going?  Most of the people talking about sound quality and differences here are probably old and lost a significant portion of their hearing...  Just saying.

 

True enough in my case.  Losing one's hearing does not cause one to lose his/her mind.

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1 minute ago, yamahaSHO said:

Why is this still going?  Most of the people talking about sound quality and differences here are probably old and lost a significant portion of their hearing...  Just saying.

 

 

Sorry.  Well, you are 100% wrong, in my direct experience.  And in the way it is !!   

 

Most of the best amp designers are older, and have a lifetime of experience behind their designs !!  

 

Jeffrey

 

 

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What am I wrong about?  Are you not old?  Have you not lost some range in your hearing?  

Sound and "best" are subjective.  I am more of a data guy...  This conversation is absurd.  What I like in sound, you may not... And vice versa.  

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