Thaddeus Smith Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 2 hours ago, CECAA850 said: While your modding, what color power LED do you have on your amp? Now would be a good time to swap it out. The red ones sound a little hot, blue ones sound cool. Power switch is red. The channel LED's only activate with clipping, so probably don't need to worry about them coloring the sound. I'm more concerned about the chassis paint - the front is black, but top case and rear panel are grey - sure that's making the sound too analytical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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glens Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Thaddeus Smith said: I'm more concerned about the chassis paint - the front is black, but top case and rear panel are grey - sure that's making the sound too analytical? If it's 50% grey it should be totally neutral in sonic character. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 9 hours ago, glens said: If it's 50% grey it should be totally neutral in sonic character. So like Thad then. Not too bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 @Thaddeus Smith Well.....have you got those bad boys in there yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 Ha, not yet. Two channels work without issue, so I put the amp back into service after taking pictures and have been running in 2.2 mode for the last couple weeks. I need to just bump everything up to the AVR for power and then pull the amp back out of the rack and start disassembly, order the smaller caps, and begin replacement. I've also been cleaning out my garage and reorganizing so that I can use my soldering station rather than the kitchen table. And it's ridiculously hot outside still. Soooo.. lots of moving parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glens Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Such a wide range of excuse choices! Hell, I'd run into option paralysis, which actually trumps them all in its own right.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Replaced all the caps tonight, put it all back together, and the hum is back - though much more clear and pronounced. So back to troubleshooting - fairly certain it's not a ground loop, but I'll lift the ground on amp and test just to be sure. Otherwise I'll dig back in and see if it's something related to the line level inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brians7 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I used red LED's in my amp need 1.5v so I had to buy a dozen to insure that I had a matched pair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 Speakers connected, but no input cables and the hum is present, so it's isolated to the amp itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 ****, it just stopped with two channels connected and half a dozen off/on cycles trying different connection combinations... maybe the new caps just needed to form? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 well two channels are consistently staying quiet. the other three keep flip flopping as I power the amp off and on to try different connection combinations. the fact that it happens with nothing but speakers connected still points to it being isolated at the amp. I guess i can start replacing fuses (there's two per amp module)? I did notice that most of the chassis RCA jacks had just the slightest bit of play on the center post. The maddening bit is that I can observe the hum fading out in real time, it's constant and unaffected by input volume, all channels play their input content, and the hum can appear/disappear sometimes by just power cycling or by reseating cables and power cycling, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Question going out to all the amp gurus here: Doesn't this sound like a bad connection or cold solder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 10:40 PM, Thaddeus Smith said: I did notice that most of the chassis RCA jacks had just the slightest bit of play on the center post. I think that the outer portion of the RCA's are all tied together. They look alright? Tried wiggling the RCA's up and down to see if it makes an audible difference? I wish I could remember Paul Hovenga's forum name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 @paul79 are you out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 I've gotten some static when moving RCA cables around willy nilly, though it's different than the hum and I worry about blowing drivers - which is why now I'm powering off/on every time I try to isolate the cable issue. Unfortunately, this adds another potential variable since that results in a discharge/charge of the power delivery system. I did have Morgan sit and listen while I moved the cables around - fully seated - to see if there was any proximity to power cables causing hum, each other, RCA connectors touching, etc and she did not observe any change. Remember that my gear is in a closet and isolated from the MLP, so it's difficult for me to be fiddling at the back of the rack and see if there's any change in behavior in output. The most noticeable changes I've observed are when I just sit there on the couch out of frustrated resignation and the hum just fades to black. It's literally this scene right here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Powered down the amp for about 9 hours overnight and no audible hum across all five channels when it was flipped on just a few minutes ago. @#*&@#^&$*&@#)$(*@#(*&$*(&@#*$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, Thaddeus Smith said: Powered down the amp for about 9 hours overnight and no audible hum across all five channels when it was flipped on just a few minutes ago. @#*&@#^&$*&@#)$(*@#(*&$*(&@#*$ Never shut it off again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Never shut it off again. That's sorta what I had been doing prior to the cap swap this past weekend. The DB-25 based 12v trigger is a bit wonky and I don't get any sort of noise when turning the AVR on/off while it's still powered on (same for my subwoofer amp). So yeah.. probably will just leave it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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