tube fanatic Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Read the right hand column and you will understand why 500 wpc SS amps are a waste and total overkill! From High Fidelity magazine summer 1951. Maynard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmi Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I'm running an eight watt/channel single ended tube amp and never have to turn the volume up more than 1/3 of the way on my K-Horns! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacek Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 In Forte days I had Sun 2A3 (2x4.5W) for a week at home. I was not able to pass past 1/2 of volume knob. And Fortes are definitely less effective than KHorns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeloManiac Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Here is a really nice article about how much/little wpc we really need, and why. That's why I love my 3.5wpc Tubecube7 so much. https://kenrockwell.com/audio/why-tubes-sound-better.htm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, ILI said: Here is a really nice article about how much/little wpc we really need, and why. That's why I love my 3.5wpc Tubecube7 so much. https://kenrockwell.com/audio/why-tubes-sound-better.htm I like Rockwell’s reviews as he is not afraid to state what he believes, and I totally agree with his comments about sold state amps and the Crown offerings in particular. The owner of the power supply company at which I once worked was an engineer for them back in the day, and he told me many times that his only interest was measured performance no matter how poorly the final result sounded. One of my coworkers was into SET amps and you can imagine the discussions that the 3 of us had about our philosophies. Maynard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briney Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 So, what is the K1 re-equalization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 @briney ^ not Mike Briney by chance? Sorry for the thread crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briney Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Nope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 So Klipshorn = 100dB = 2 watts but with 10dB peaks =20 watts. What if you were fortunate enough to have a more faithful recording medium that was used with painstaking care to faithfully capture a musical performance and had 20 db peaks? 2 watts +20db peaks = 200watts. Aren't logarithms cool? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEH Synergy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Intersting article, thanks. That does it, I'm selling all my amps with any power and going to 10 watts or less. That is all I will ever need. Oh, but then there the sub, might need 15 or so watts for that guy 🤔 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, babadono said: So Klipshorn = 100dB = 2 watts but with 10dB peaks =20 watts. What if you were fortunate enough to have a more faithful recording medium that was used with painstaking care to faithfully capture a musical performance and had 20 db peaks? 2 watts +20db peaks = 200watts. Aren't logarithms cool? I know only one person who listens at 100+ db levels. All of the other guys typically listen between 70 and 80 db. So even factoring in 20db of headroom the power need is minimal. When I had my K-horns in a 15 x 25 room I easily achieved excessively loud levels with a few tens of milliwatts. And further, PWK was using only 1 speaker! I’m not trying to convince anyone, but I have had lots of success through the years powering many systems using Klipsch speakers with less than 2 wpc and, in many cases, with 1 wpc or less. To each his own as with everything else......Besides, my new “specialty” of desktop systems requires even less power! Maynard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 } I enjoy single ended amps as much as anyone, as pure as any amps I’ve heard. Owned 3.5 watt, single ended 2a3 monoblocks at the early stages of Jube ownership. Showing them off to another member while picking up my KHorns it became apparent 2a3 amps quickly ran out off steam as his lovely wife kept saying “louder, louder”. Among other solid state amps I now have 20 watt single ended amps with transformers nearly as big and heavy as the entire 2a3 mono chassis, or as I like to say single ended with ballz. Delicate, transparent and detailed at low volume, enough juice to get your attention when needed. Even with 105 dB speaks there is still some validity with the “no replacement for displacement” mantra — Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincymat Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, richieb said: } I enjoy single ended amps as much as anyone, as pure as any amps I’ve heard. Owned 3.5 watt, single ended 2a3 monoblocks at the early stages of Jube ownership. Showing them off to another member while picking up my KHorns it became apparent 2a3 amps quickly ran out off steam as his lovely wife kept saying “louder, louder”. Among other solid state amps I now have 20 watt single ended amps with transformers nearly as big and heavy as the entire 2a3 mono chassis, or as I like to say single ended with ballz. Delicate, transparent and detailed at low volume, enough juice to get your attention when needed. Even with 105 dB speaks there is still some validity with the “no replacement for displacement” mantra — Just be glad she didn’t want to hear Stairway to Heaven at her usual listening volume. The Khorns sound wonderful with 6 watts per channel... cincy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, cincymat said: Just be glad she didn’t want to hear Stairway to Heaven at her usual listening volume. The Khorns sound wonderful with 6 watts per channel... cincy } There he is - kinda like “wack-a-mole” Appears only when his button is pushed — 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Westcoastdrums said: Intersting article, thanks. That does it, I'm selling all my amps with any power and going to 10 watts or less. That is all I will ever need. Oh, but then there the sub, might need 15 or so watts for that guy 🤔 I have an F3 First Watt clone, singel ended Class A with tube like sound you might like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEH Synergy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, ClaudeJ1 said: I have an F3 First Watt clone, singel ended Class A with tube like sound you might like. Im sure I would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Westcoastdrums said: Intersting article, thanks. That does it, I'm selling all my amps with any power and going to 10 watts or less. That is all I will ever need. Oh, but then there the sub, might need 15 or so watts for that guy 🤔 You listen at 75db or less right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEH Synergy Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, babadono said: You listen at 75db or less right? Yes, like EVERY forum member here all the time, OF COURSE I do. Why the hell would I EVER listen louder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ClaudeJ1 said: I have an F3 First Watt clone, singel ended Class A with tube like sound you might like. } Agree. I have a FW F3 that I thoroughly enjoy —. Although head to head to the 20 watt single ended monos - well - its just not the same and comes up a bit short — Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, Westcoastdrums said: Yes, like EVERY forum member here all the time, OF COURSE I do. Why the hell would I EVER listen louder? } HUH? Can’t hear you — 👂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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