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I was thinking more along the lines of 1/8 dB kind of stuff, as our golden-eared wonder-boy JM is good for...

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5 hours ago, glens said:

1/3 + 2/3 is about the limit of any sort of effectiveness, I'd think.  When talk of "bypassing" one cap with another for some effect, when the other is a small-fractional value, I declare that wasting money and pissing in the wind.  I've wasted some time looking over that web page and as I recall, he mentions such small-fractional-value "bypass" stuff.  If so, he's at least somewhat deluded...

I do agree with you on that one. I can't see how there should be any advantage in throwing in a 1 for example with a cheaper 7.2 or so and then magic happens.

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5 hours ago, Deang said:

I think a person can talk themselves into hearing anything (myself included) - I think that guy is a loon. The only person in his house that can hear the things he’s hearing is his dog.

 

Buy the best built part you can afford and move on. Most everything else is voodoo. 
 

Yes, paralleling caps reduces the ESR a little, but you’re also adding solder joints, so ...

I was thinking about that at some point during my research. How much does the soldering affect things and what should i use to solder a crossover? Isn't lead a bad thing and how much silver can actually be blended into the solder material?

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Good soldering shouldn't affect anything.

 

Stay away from 60/40. Use an Eutectic solder.

 

https://fctsolder.com/eutectic-solder/

 

I don't use solder with silver in it unless I'm soldering something that has silver in it. I use WBT silver solder for that.

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Good solder joints where an inter metalliic bond between the two materials being soldered together has been achieved are good. Bad solder solder joints where said inter metallic bond has not been achieved are well.... bad.

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‘Inner metallic bond”. That sounds like welding. 
 

The bond should be mechanical. Solder should be used like paint. Yes, it stabilizes the connection, but it should not be creating the connection. 

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28 minutes ago, babadono said:

Good solder joints where an inter metalliic bond between the two materials being soldered together has been achieved are good. Bad solder solder joints where said inter metallic bond has not been achieved are well.... bad.

You will never be able to achieve an inter metallic bond with soldering. That would require the to materials being soldered both being made of lead. Otherwise you can achieve a great melting bath with welding.

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23 minutes ago, Deang said:

‘Inner metallic bond”. That sounds like welding. 
 

The bond should be mechanical. Solder should be used like paint. Yes, it stabilizes the connection, but it should not be creating the connection. 

Therefore i was a bit hesitant with using two example, 1 uf caps to achieve 2. Wouldn't it be a lot harder to establish a sure connection using more caps in serial?

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40 years electronics manufacturing experience here:) And not wanting to pick an argument with anyone especially you Dean. There is an inter metallic bond made in a GOOD solder joint. No we are not welding. In welding part of the pieces being joined are heated to their meltng point and become part of the joint. In soldering (hopefully) we do not melt the parts being joined.

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12 minutes ago, babadono said:

40 years electronics manufacturing experience here:) And not wanting to pick an argument with anyone especially you Dean. There is an inter metallic bond made in a GOOD solder joint. No we are not welding. In welding part of the pieces being joined are heated to their meltng point and become part of the joint. In soldering (hopefully) we do not melt the parts being joined.

You're both right.  Dean is referencing the fact that the wires should make a mechanical bond that will carry current on it's own prior to your inter metallic bond occurs during the soldering process.

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14 minutes ago, babadono said:

And not wanting to pick an argument with anyone especially you Dean.

I have no issue arguing with him, it's fun.  However he's right occasionally.

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The reason a good mechanical connection should be made before soldering is to get the two materials in intimate contact so it is much easier to form the inter metallic bond. For example in SMT assemblies there is no mechanical connection, if you pick up, tilt or wiggle the boards stuffed with components before soldering the components will fall off the board.

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38 minutes ago, babadono said:

 For example in SMT assemblies there is no mechanical connection, if you pick up, tilt or wiggle the boards stuffed with components before soldering the components will fall off the board.

 

Excellent example. The solder makes the actual electrical connection.

 

 

 

This list shows the conductive order of some commonly used metals and alloys, based on equal sizes.

  1. Pure silver
  2. Pure copper
  3. Pure gold
  4. Aluminum
  5. Zinc
  6. Nickel
  7. Brass
  8. Bronze
  9. Iron
  10. Platinum
  11. Steel
  12. Lead
  13. Stainless steel

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SMT uses solder that is lead free and has a much higher melting point. Because it’s responsible for both the mechanical and the electrical, it’s prone to a host of issues, and does not provide error free soldering. I get it though.

 

So, softer metals melt, and then stick to the outside of the other metals, and while cooling, everything locks into place. So sure, “bonding” is the appropriate word for that. 

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1 hour ago, polizzio said:

The solder makes the actual electrical connection.

Of course. And in SMT the solidified solder makes the mechanical connection also. In some cases (large parts or aerospace type assemblies) the components may be glued down as well as soldered.

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Well schucks, for some reason that link won't download the video. Just go to the top and click "videos" then it will load.

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My dad told me early on that (not talking SMT which hadn't been invented yet, nor sweating copper plumbing) the joint should have its own strength prior to soldering.  Said another way, don't rely on the solder itself.

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That’s all I was saying really. I was taught to paint the joint, not use it like glue. But I do understand and agree with what he is saying, just had to think about it a bit. 

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18 minutes ago, babadono said:

Well schucks, for some reason that link won't download the video. Just go to the top and click "videos" then it will load.

 

Worked with my iPhone.

 

I have my own four “wetting forces”. 
 

1. Bourbon

2. 850 degrees 

3. Pressure

4. Cussing

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