polizzio 677 Posted February 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, BigStewMan said: I'm confused on what your point is though. That by the CDC numbers or statistics, ordinary flu season kills easily 10 or 15 times what CV has. Why is there this massive fear or pandemonium over CV in the news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polizzio 677 Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, dtel said: Was in Hope, painting a 99 year old building. I took the humor and positive vibes with me, but they weren't amused. How many were you, the paint or restoration gang? I'm guessing this was the Klipsch Museum building? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff. 758 Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, polizzio said: The CDC stated yesterday a big threat from CV is the lack of a vaccine going forward. From the data I have seen searching today, the common flu is way more of a threat and has killed 10 or 15 times as many this winter season versus CV so far to date. Is it just fake news? Perhaps there are alternative motives actually in play? This “threat” could provide legal grounds to throw any international trade agreements out the window. Made In America would be the only option. Or trade with select nations only. So much for China’s bid to be the world’s leading currency. A convenient economic warfare tactic. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyOwn 2968 Posted February 27, 2020 Talked with my dentist today and conversation turned to this. So after some thought I decided not to post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polizzio 677 Posted February 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, geoff. said: This “threat” could provide legal grounds to throw any international trade agreements out the window. Made In America would be the only option. Or trade with select nations only. So much for China’s bid to be the world’s leading currency. A convenient economic warfare tactic. Finally a guy who thinks "outside the box". Who thinks of options, or potential global ramifications. I mean clearly by the statistical data, the common seasonal flu is far much more deadly than CV. Wish I could find accurate date on how many people in China die annually from the flu? It has to be pretty huge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polizzio 677 Posted February 28, 2020 Ah ha, an article on flu vs CV threat in America: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-01-30/why-the-flu-is-a-bigger-threat-to-the-us-than-coronavirus And another: https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-influenza-disease-china-united-states-64311582-2031-40af-8ec3-9ff68341d4f3.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerwoodKhorns 1139 Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, polizzio said: I was just bringing it up for discussion. By the numbers seasonal flu virus has killed 10 or 15 times the number of people versus CV. Did you look at the CDC numbers I posted earlier, the link to their website, their data? I am aware that the flu kills so many people every year. I was asking if you are serious that you think that this might be a hoax or fake news because I am disturbed that that is a question that reasonable people are asking. A lot of erosion has occurred. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyOwn 2968 Posted February 28, 2020 Marketing for a new drug, "Not Quite Here Yet".... A way to move US manufacturing back to US? Don't kick me off please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polizzio 677 Posted February 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, tigerwoodKhorns said: A lot of erosion has occurred. Erosion of what? Expand on this please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerwoodKhorns 1139 Posted February 28, 2020 Erosion of norms. I do not mean this as an insult. Years ago nobody would have questioned this, now normal reasonable people are doing so. This is not good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WMcD 755 Posted February 28, 2020 How abour air in the tires of automobiles from China. Dangerous stuff !!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polizzio 677 Posted February 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, tigerwoodKhorns said: Erosion of norms. I do not mean this as an insult. Years ago nobody would have questioned this, now normal reasonable people are doing so. This is not good. Didn't take it as an insult. Just did not understand what you were attempting to convey. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richieb 7064 Posted February 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, tigerwoodKhorns said: Erosion of norms. I do not mean this as an insult. Years ago nobody would have questioned this, now normal reasonable people are doing so. This is not good. Have you noticed my friend, that we are fast running out of “normal reasonable” people — 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigStewMan 19252 Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, polizzio said: That by the CDC numbers or statistics, ordinary flu season kills easily 10 or 15 times what CV has. Why is there this massive fear or pandemonium over CV in the news? okay, I see your point, thanks for the clarification. Personally, I don't know what good it does to compare this and the flu. Had not the reaction been so extreme, don't you think the number of sick and/or dead would be exponentially higher? Likewise, if people suspected with either having the flu or having been around someone with the flu or visited a region where cases of the flu had been reported, if all these people were quarantined, the number of flu deaths would probably be significantly less. The reaction to the flu is so much different than the CV, we can't use these numbers to conclude one is more deadly. If we did nothing as a response to both, then maybe we could see which one was more deadly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
geoff. 758 Posted February 28, 2020 I think negligent may be a better word. We are fast running out of people who are not negligent. Negligence is doing something a reasonable person would not do, or not doing something a reasonable person would. Any citizen that does not question or qualify, to some degree, the source, validity, and motive of ANY media article is negligent. Propaganda is a powerful tool. Having said that, if COVID-19 does turn out to be a red herring allowing the ban of all imports from China, where will I score my fentanyl from?! 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dtel 28758 Posted February 28, 2020 1 hour ago, polizzio said: How many were you, the paint or restoration gang? I'm guessing this was the Klipsch Museum building? Yes the new building, this trip it was 3.5 people working because one "Jim" was assigned to do other things. But we did ok, all we could do anyway. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigerwoodKhorns 1139 Posted February 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, BigStewMan said: The reaction to the flu is so much different than the CV, we can't use these numbers to conclude one is more deadly. If we did nothing as a response to both, then maybe we could see which one was more deadly. CV is just getting going. It has a 2% fatality rate (Per China). I think that the influenza pandemic in the early 1900s had a mortality rate of 1.7% and millions died. A regular flue, 14,000 deaths per 26M cases. I am getting 0.0005%, significantly lower and hence not as much concern. https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigStewMan 19252 Posted February 28, 2020 do you concur? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZEUS121996 1558 Posted February 28, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 4:03 PM, Max2 said: Just give me an excuse to disappear on the River for a week . Crappie season is gonna be on in about 3 - 4 weeks. Cool setup, where did you find that? Mark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunburnwilly 2975 Posted February 28, 2020 9 hours ago, CECAA850 said: Certainly you don't think that's real? Sure , why would you not ? A city of 11 million people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
