billybob Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Still raining, still dreaming. Appears that if we believe pandemic is still alive and well, the various news media outlets, do too. Apparently the good doctor does also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Darkness at the break of noon Shadows even the silver spoon The handmade blade, the child's balloon Eclipses both the sun and moon To understand you know too soon, there is no sense in trying Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn Suicide remarks are torn From the fool's gold mouthpiece the hollow horn Plays wasted words proves to warn That he not busy being born is busy dying Temptation's page flies out the door You follow, find yourself at war Watch waterfalls of pity roar You feel to moan but unlike before You discover that you'd just be one more person crying So don't fear if you hear A foreign sound to your ear It's alright, Ma, I'm only sighing As some warn victory, some downfall Private reasons great or small Can be seen in the eyes of those that call To make all that should be killed to crawl While others say don't hate nothing at all, except hatred Disillusioned words like bullets bark As human gods aim for their mark Made everything from toy guns that spark To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark It's easy to see without looking too far that not much is really sacred Our preachers preach of evil fates Teachers teach that knowledge waits Can lead to hundred-dollar plates Goodness hides behind its gates But even the President of the United States Sometimes must have to stand naked An' all the rules of the road have been lodged It's only people's games that you got to dodge And it's alright, Ma, I can make it Advertising signs that con you Into thinking you're the one That can do what's never been done That can win what's never been won Meantime life outside goes on all around you You lose yourself, you reappear You suddenly find you got nothing to fear Alone you stand with nobody near When a trembling distant voice, unclear Startles your sleeping ears to hear That somebody thinks they really found you A question in your nerves is lit Yet you know there is no answer fit To satisfy insure you not to quit To keep it in your mind and not forget That it is not he or she or them or it that you belong to Although the masters make the rules For the wise men and the fools I got nothing, Ma, to live up to For them that must obey authority That they do not respect in any degree Who despise their jobs, their destinies Speak jealously of them that are free Do what they do just to be Nothing more than something they invest in While some on principles baptized To strict party platform ties Social clubs in drag disguise Outsiders they can freely criticize Tell nothing except who to idolize and say, "God bless him" While one who sings with his tongue on fire Gargles in the rat race choir Bent out of shape from society's pliers Cares not to come up any higher But rather get you down in the hole that he's in But I mean no harm nor put fault On anyone that lives in a vault But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him Old lady judges watch people in pairs Limited in sex, they dare To push fake morals, insult and stare While money doesn't talk, it swears Obscenity, who really cares propaganda, all is phony While them that defend what they cannot see With a killer's pride, security It blows the minds most bitterly For them that think death's honesty Won't fall upon them naturally Life sometimes must get lonely My eyes collide head-on with stuffed graveyards False goals, I scuff at pettiness which plays so rough Walk upside-down inside handcuffs Kick my legs to crash it off Say, "Okay, I have had enough, what else can you show me?" And if my thought dreams could be seen They'd probably put my head in a guillotine But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 You all get led around like sheep in matters of science. You all know the answer to this. What has the new confirmed cases of Covid-19 been in South Dakota been, day to day, for the last two to three weeks? Down, stable or up? Here's a fact, the 8,000 or so Sturgis locals were advised to leave town, or shelter in place, by local authorities. A lot didn't. 80% of town revenue comes from licensing fees on merchindise and sales related to that one week event. In other words, without that event, property taxes would have to triple in order for that community to survive. So they were going to have that event no matter what unless legally prevented from doing so. They could care less if 500,000 people come to town, spread whatever can be spread, and they all pick up and leave. In NOLA in Mardi Gra, same way, come Wed. get out of town, and they hose down the streets. So look at spike in cases in South Dakota, and look at deaths above baseline in South Dakota for the 45 days after Sturgis. This is the same as Tulsa, Memorial Day, and a host of other events that there isn't any dispute about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Yet maskless gatherings are still being televised and even encouraged by some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) Dang Edited September 12, 2020 by billybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just call it a peaceful protest, seems to be no problem with those ? Just open it all back up, we have people to spare, loose a few here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbphoto Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, dwilawyer said: What has the new confirmed cases of Covid-19 been in South Dakota been, day to day, for the last two to three weeks? Down, stable or up? So look at spike in cases in South Dakota, and look at deaths above baseline in South Dakota for the 45 days after Sturgis. This is the same as Tulsa, Memorial Day, and a host of other events that there isn't any dispute about. It looks like cases in SD peaked at 623 on August 27, roughly two weeks after the end of Sturgis, which makes sense. There's been a downward trend in cases the last couple weeks. I agree we'll have to watch the deaths - they've been flat or down thus far. 4 people died today after putting up zeros the last few days. I don't know the demographics of the deaths, or if they are related to Sturgis. But I worry about this event, more so than cases on a college campus for example, because Sturgis attendees are not the healthiest population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, pbphoto said: Sturgis attendees are not the healthiest population. I'm more concerned that the attendees dispersed far and wide after Sturgis to return home. College students are being encouraged to stay where they are, limiting exposure to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 One reason at months end we are - “going up the country, baby don’t you want to go going up the country, baby don’t you want to go goin’ to a place that I’ve never known before” — Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbphoto Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, mungkiman said: I'm more concerned that the attendees dispersed far and wide after Sturgis to return home. College students are being encouraged to stay where they are, limiting exposure to others. Agreed, although cases in the US peaked in mid-July and deaths in mid-August. Both have been trending down since their peaks. Maybe there's a sturgis-bump in the data someplace but I can't see it. Definitely something to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, pbphoto said: Agreed, although cases in the US peaked in mid-July and deaths in mid-August. Both have been trending down since their peaks. Don't forget that testing is also down, so fewer cases will be found. Deaths might be trending downward, but they're still a long way from 'rounding the corner.' I'm taking a wait and see approach while hoping for better news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbphoto Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, mungkiman said: Don't forget that testing is also down, so fewer cases will be found. Deaths might be trending downward, but they're still a long way from 'rounding the corner.' I'm taking a wait and see approach while hoping for better news. Is testing down? In Illinois, testing is thru the roof as kids go back to school. The friday before labor day, Illinois did almost 150K tests - 4X more than average. I'm not sure why but I suspect every school district in the state that opened this last Tuesday told their kids to send in their test kits last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, mungkiman said: Yet maskless gatherings are still being televised and even encouraged by some. Who cares. So is abstinence, for a host of other things, far worse than Covid-19, yet people still don't practice abstinence or "safe" sex. It's the difference between getting your information from a "news" source, which is in the business of selling papers, or ads, and a scientific journal which doesn't rely on ad revenue. The former is trying to suck you in to sell more papers, or higher price per spot, the latter is trying to maintain it's prestige within scientific community. "News" used to be a public service of broadcasting, a money loser. Since cable, It is now a business that has to be profitable. To be profitable it has to fight for every viewing, and so now it is entertainment. News, like advertising, has to draw you in. Just look at the people who read you the news. You are being "sold" whether it is the story, the person reading you the story, etc. To sell you, they do what they have known in advertising forever, use words, phrases, photos, that evoke an emotional response. The focus is what will invoke an emotional response with our target audience, not what depicts the most factual version of the event. It like the guy who goes into a topless bar, if he doesn't know what the game is before he walks in the door he is in for a heap of trouble. Do you expect do get honest reporting about your personality, attractiveness, whatever in a topless bar? Or do you expect someone to invoke your emotions to separate you from your money? Why would you expect a "news" outlet to be balanced, fair and objective? Watch a hearing on C-Span (they just had one this week by the way, does anyone know the topic) and then watch the "news" and see how they describe the hearing. You are draw to a news outlet for a reason, they know the reason, and they know what you want to hear. You, almost without exception, say that the hearing you watched in real time didn't resemble what was summarized in "the news." That a hearing, where the news knows people have a way to check it out (C-Span replay) but they don't care because they know their audience isn't going to bother watching it. They just to tell them what they want to hear, whether it is accurate or not. If they are caught they just issue a "correction" if print, do nothing if television. Covid-19 is medicine and science, well covered in the science based sources, if people want to know facts they can look it up easily. Except you are not going to have your emotions played with, and you are not going to be entertained. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbphoto Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, dwilawyer said: It like the guy who goes into a topless bar, if he doesn't know what the game is before he walks in the door he is in for a heap of trouble. But the dancer said she wanted to go out with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, pbphoto said: Is testing down? This only covers through last week, but the curves are similar between testing numbers and positive cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, pbphoto said: But the dancer said she wanted to go out with me. I met her once. She really did but said you never called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 One person's choice for abstinence or "safe" sex usually doesn't lead to the potential for sickness or death of the person next to them at the topless bar, unless they go home together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, mungkiman said: This only covers through last week, but the curves are similar between testing numbers and positive cases. South Dakota was advised by Federal Task Force on Sunday that they had the 2nd highest positivity rate in the US and they are concerned. It has to be under 5% (really 4%) sustained at local level or you are in a spreader situation. Nationally that is looking good, but look at rates in the South and Southwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 9:55 AM, billybob said: Seems that most trusted are the most consistent in their messaging. When they go for drama and sensationalism, it sort of impacts negatively upon themselves. ( not exclusive to Fox) For sure not exclusive, that site that someone posted earlier was excellent on that score. It showed what the lean was, and the reliability. I'm comfortable sorting out the lean on my own, either way, but when the reliability is suspect as well then it isn't news, it's an echo chamber. If people don't care, or know, if their source is reliable they just want to be entertained. I want multiple, but reliable, perspectives, especially on something that would surely kill my parents if it sneaks through the front door. Whether people seek credible information vs. entertainment is well studied, and documented by Pew Research, on the media. It falls right in line with that Website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted September 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 12, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 9:57 AM, billybob said: Not that I can imagine... Possibly driving if intoxicated is only thing I can think of. Long term, risk factors for heart disease would be more deadly. Smoking, hypertension, diet, lack of exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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