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48 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:

Well you have half the facts. Is.this a transparent attempt to turn this topic political once again?

 

How is NIH funded? How does the NIH grant approval process work? How many years did the grant cover? What was the portion of the NIH grant to total study?

 

What was the expected benefit to US and other grant providing countries from the research?

 

How much was the NIH grant in 2017 to same facility? What was that study.

 

 

Since China has $$$$$$$$ surpluses like crazy why should we fund any research there, at any time - regardless of the political party in charge (which I did NOT mention on purpose)? 
 

The grant is entitled: Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence. It was approved in 2014 and renewed in 2019. 
 

Maybe they stopped funding it because now we understand that risk intimately.

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1 hour ago, BassBlaster&TweeterHeater said:

The same clown telling us we need to cue up for a government injection of "mystery fluid" has been revealed to be FUNDING the Wuhan lab where the virus originated.

https://www.citadelpoliticss.com/dr-fauci-caught-sponsoring-wuhan-lab-millions-2/

 

It wasn't exactly a secret.

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5 hours ago, BassBlaster&TweeterHeater said:

The same clown telling us we need to cue up for a government injection of "mystery fluid" has been revealed to be FUNDING the Wuhan lab where the virus originated.

https://www.citadelpoliticss.com/dr-fauci-caught-sponsoring-wuhan-lab-millions-2/

I have become aware of how extemely obscure and narrow in scope all of the websites are where you have been getting your links from. Regardless of your opinions of specific topics, at least the links I choose to share are from wesites and scientific journals recognized around the world. Not trying to argue a side, just work on your sources please. 

 

Go ahead and quote me once in direct response to my post if you feel you must, but please refrain from quoting me again in the future, for any reason, on any subject. Find another target.

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Yes, I look like Santa already and it's a ways off. Still, since semi retiring, and  before, shaving every other day was best would do.

There is one piece though that

came up recently on the prior

thread. That about catching

cold more likely with facial hair.

Remember that from back.

Just relaxing.

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3 hours ago, BassBlaster&TweeterHeater said:

The same clown telling us we need to cue up for a government injection of "mystery fluid" has been revealed to be FUNDING the Wuhan lab where the virus originated.

https://www.citadelpoliticss.com/dr-fauci-caught-sponsoring-wuhan-lab-millions-2/

 

Citadel Politics? Wow. No references, no links to support their info, and the "About Us" page has no information. So, basically a blog that just spits out opinion pieces.

 

Fauci wasn't "caught" doing anything. There's nothing conspiratorial about GOF research or its funding. It's done fully out in the open, and all BSL-3 and BSL-4 Labs do it. It may be a "new" virus to humans, but that doesn't mean they don't know anything about it. They've been studying it for years (along with the ones that are much worse).

 

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-complicated-origins.html

 

 https://osp.od.nih.gov/biotechnology/gain-of-function-research/ 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4996883/

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Fauci wasn't "caught" doing anything. There's nothing conspiratorial about GOF research or its funding. It's done fully out in the open, and all BSL-3 and BSL-4 Labs do it. It may be a

"new" virus to humans, but that doesn't mean they don't know anything about it. They've been studying it for years (along with the ones that are much worse). 

 

Would you have such a "charitable" reaction if it had been discovered that [moderator edit, political]

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Covid-19 is here to stay. 18-24 months with repeated waves before reaching herd immunity level of 60%-70%. At that point it then becomes endemic (forever) just like the coronaviruses that cause 25% of our common cold, and the H1N1 flu (Spanish flu), and the H1N2 flu (bird flu).

 

Remember that any "vaccine" will not have a 100% efficacy. This years flu shots had efficacy rates of 45%, which does include the vaccine for that same flu (H1N1) we have been fighting since 1918.

 

Page 6 of the article linked below shows a chart of 3 possible scenarios we can expect.

1) Peaks and Valleys.

2) Fall Peak

3) Slow Burn

 

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As the pandemic wanes, it is likely that SARS-CoV-2 will continue to circulate in the human population and will synchronize to a seasonal pattern with diminished severity over time

 

Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP)

Academic Health Center at the University of Minnesota

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/cidrap-covid19-viewpoint-part1.pdf

 

 

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Does anyone actually believe that this is the last bioterrorism pathogen which will manage to “escape” a laboratory?  We have the capability to generate some which are so virulent that this will seem like a common cold in comparison.  This last thought is from a former neighbor who is a molecular biologist.

 

 

Maynard  

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“Is the US prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can’t/won’t control their population growth?”

 

”Should the US seek to change its own food consumption patterns toward more efficient uses of protein? “
 

”Are mandatory population control measures appropriate for the US and/or for others? “
 

The above from NSSM 200, 1974

 

Just throwing this out for consideration in view of what’s going on.  Please keep any comments about this general and not political.

 

 

Maynard

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, tube fanatic said:

“Is the US prepared to accept food rationing to help people who can’t/won’t control their population growth?”

 

”Should the US seek to change its own food consumption patterns toward more efficient uses of protein? “
 

”Are mandatory population control measures appropriate for the US and/or for others? “
 

The above from NSSM 200, 1974

 

Just throwing this out for consideration in view of what’s going on.  Please keep any comments about this general and not political.

 

 

Maynard

 

 

 

You can get lost in books and articles.  Actions speak loudest.  In 1974, the US population was 213.9 million, with an average life expectancy of 71.96 years.  Today, the US population is 328.2 million, with an average life expectancy of 78.54 years.

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Is it possible that the decision has been made to reduce the planet’s population now in view of the explosive growth?  That was the gist of the NSSM 200 paper.  Sadly, we will never know the truth about, or the motivations of, the current mess.  
 

 

Maynard

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What I have read, and I do not think this is confirmed, is that the lab conducting the ‘bat’ research in Wuhan irresponsibly disposed of ‘infected’ waste product in a manner that allowed those materials inadvertent access to the nearby ‘wet’ market. 
 

There’s no mystery that sanitation in China is completely different than what we’re accustomed to here and that’s the crux of the problem whether this virus came directly from an infected animal or from mishandled waste material from this lab. 
 

Still I am aghast at America’s involvement in this type of research inside a country known to be adversarial for one, and apparently ‘sloppy’ for two.  Somebody was not thinking when they approved funding for this work. America works hard to protect our intellectual properties and DOD work from China. China has no compunction when it comes to espionage for their commercial gain and for military purposes. This was absolutely no different. I cannot see any manner in how this research would’ve served America well. Any useful products that may have come from such work would’ve benefitted Chinese industry. 
 

This also clearly points to how well China knew these viruses. They (with American funding) knew more about these viruses than anyone. They knew they had an outbreak early and they knew it was lethal. They had experienced this before with ‘bird flu’ viruses. China had to know very early in this episode how serious the situation was and they intentionally kept a tight lid on  that information. And like their perspectives on sanitation they were reckless with this virus and gave it pathways to the world. Either they were reckless or adversarial. It was either a terrible mistake or an intentional assault. Trump is right on this one. China may not have contrived this virus but it was their responsibility to manage and they really botched it.

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The new trade deal with China must include a “Covid Response Repayment Schedule”, or curse for short, a surcharge on EVERY import and when the $6 trillion and counting has been recouped there will hopefully be alternate sources for EVERYTHING that country exports.

 

The Chinese government sent messages to Chinese nationals all around the world after the outbreak imploring them to buy up and send home all medical supplies they could from the countries they were living in. And they did, depleting global stocks of vital equipment.

 

I also propose any Chinese national that participated in this be held accountable. Maybe some anti-terrorism laws could be spun here to good effect.

 

They ALL knew what was going on.

 

They ALL said to hell with the rest of the world.

 

Has any mention been made on this forum yet of Chinese “Document Number Nine”?

 

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