Covid19 redux

[OO1]

3 hours ago, Bosco-d-gama said:

China now admits to destroying covid19 cultures at the start of the pandemic. The excuse they provided however is even more damning. They claim these covid19 cultures were destroyed because they existed in facilities not deemed “safe” enough to handle the virus.  This was done on January 3rd...... another clear indication that China was aware of the lethal disease very early. 
 

Trump made these accusations long ago and China refuted them. China now admits to these actions and that they lied about ‘not’ doing them earlier. Curiouser and curiouser.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/china-acknowledges-destroying-early-coronavirus-samples-confirming-us-accusation-1504484

 

there were 2 labs in China working with Coronavirus research ,   based on the 5 EYES Intelligence report , but the culprit is the  second lab which was located  , 280 meters from the Wet Market -------this lab was called --CDCC ,it is a  BSL-2  and this is the lab that is believed to be the cause of the outbreak for the covid 19 worldwide pandemic  , and the lab which China deliberatly hid and destroyed all the research and samples evidence ----

 

--scientists in China had reported the leak as early as February 6 - 2020  ,  and China could not censure this report , it was posted on the web ,  on-time -

 

February 6 -2020

The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus Botao Xiao1,2* and Lei Xiao3

 

https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-actually-started-secret-wuhan-21506739

the google map at the end of this PDF  , shows the location of that 1st lab -----

--https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.it/images/2020/02/16/114720192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

 

 

 

 

[pzannucci]

Seems the conspiracy around death counts is really due to the as Brix put it liberal counting method.  More like stupidity to driver up the numbers from the sounds of it. 

 

Move along, nothing to see here just normal posturing.

[OO1]

Just now, pzannucci said:

Seems the conspiracy around death counts is really due to the as Brix put it liberal counting method.  More like stupidity to driver up the numbers from the sounds of it. 

 

Move along, nothing to see here just normal posturing.

COVID 19 is one of the causes of the deaths , all these people had underlying issues , but they were surviving ,  and they would have survived if they had not been  infected with covid 19 which finished them off  ,  it is therefore correct to say that they died of Covid 19-----and the numbers are correct -

[OO1]

7 minutes ago, pzannucci said:

 

So basically China could not do anything about it even if they tried.

correct , it is part of their culture and of their Chinese natural Medecine that goes back thousands of years ------they consume these animals , snakes , bats etc as we take pharmaceutical drugs , you have to change the culture , bring out the myths and bust them as being outright dangerous --to Chinese public health --and only the Chinese GVNMT can do that and ban these practises

[pzannucci]

7 minutes ago, RANDYH said:

COVID 19 is one of the causes of the deaths , all these people had underlying issues , but they were surviving ,  and they would have survived if they had not been  infected with covid 19 which finished them off  ,  it is therefore correct to say that they died of Covid 19-----and the numbers are correct -

Not based on some of the revised numbers.  Sounds like they buffered with anyone that had covid died of it or something crazy.

[WMcD]

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston

and the link therein to Goofy Gophers. 

 

It was a funny cartoon where the dog is approaching rapidly and the gophers are debating which should go down the hole first. At the end they agree to hold hands and both jump down in together, and just in the nick of time!

[OO1]

44 minutes ago, pzannucci said:

Not based on some of the revised numbers.  Sounds like they buffered with anyone that had covid died of it or something crazy.

excellent point --- , for one thing , they were  treated in the same areas with Covid 19 infected patients -

[pzannucci]

 

 

6 minutes ago, RANDYH said:

excellent point --- , for one thing , they were  treated in the same areas with Covid 19 infected patients -

Ya, just hearing about revised numbers last night and today.  

 

Being treated in the same areas, I don't even want to think about it.  Just like in the NE, making old folks go back into the nursing homes when testing positive.  Now I don't think conspiracy there but stupidity comes to mind.  Significantly inflating the deaths but those deaths are from COVID.  Sad Sad Sad....

[billybob]

1 hour ago, RANDYH said:

correct , it is part of their culture and of their Chinese natural Medecine that goes back thousands of years ------they consume these animals , snakes , bats etc as we take pharmaceutical drugs , you have to change the culture , bring out the myths and bust them as being outright dangerous --to Chinese public health --and only the Chinese GVNMT can do that and ban these practises

Their beliefs system.

[OO1]

25 minutes ago, billybob said:

Their beliefs system.

The  Chinese Emperor Qin Shi Huang died at 39 years old by consuming mercury  thinking it would prolong his life  -

-the Chinese people believe animal poisons can contain the elixir of long life , which is pure  folklore ,  and total ignorance -

-the Japanese eat the Fugu , which is blowfish , it is even more poisonous than Cyanide

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18065372

[OO1]

Coronavirus: A third of hospital patients develop dangerous blood clots

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52662065

 

[pzannucci]

2 minutes ago, RANDYH said:

Coronavirus: A third of hospital patients develop dangerous blood clots

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52662065

 

That is why I believe blood types (type O in particular that has reduced clotting factors) and other factors count.  Hydroxychloroquine reduces clotting.  So reducing the viral load and reduced clotting.   Many with Type O are not getting the bad symptoms.   

 

I really think they are missing the boat on 50% of these thinking one thing and it is really blood clotting in the lungs

[OO1]

13 minutes ago, pzannucci said:

That is why I believe blood types (type O in particular that has reduced clotting factors) and other factors count.  Hydroxychloroquine reduces clotting.  So reducing the viral load and reduced clotting.   Many with Type O are not getting the bad symptoms.   

 

I really think they are missing the boat on 50% of these thinking one thing and it is really blood clotting in the lungs

you had already mentionned blood clotting on May 6 , I understood it then , but  your analysis  is now confirmed by the Brits ---you are 100% right ------reduce clotting , and the chances of survival increase --------

 

Posted May 6

On 5/6/2020 at 9:43 PM, 000 said:

The Father of 1 of my friends died today , he was in hospital with Covid 19----and he was treated , then he got over it , he was released , went home , everything is fine , and 2 days later , he came down very hard with it , all of a sudden , back to the hospital , and he didn't make it - it hit him like a freight train -

Seems like it was never out of his system and likely blood clots from the sound of it.

 

 

[pzannucci]

1 hour ago, RANDYH said:

you had already mentionned blood clotting on May 6 , I understood it then , but  your analysis  is now confirmed by the Brits ---you are 100% right ------reduce clotting , and the chances of survival increase --------

 

Posted May 6

Seems like it was never out of his system and likely blood clots from the sound of it.

 

 

Sorry about that.  Thought that might have been the thread that was shut down.

[billybob]

4 hours ago, RANDYH said:

the Chinese consume these animals with a belief that it raises their immune system ,  to fight viruses  , they won't stop  no matter what , and the underground market is much bigger than the wet markets-  this  has caused 2 worldwide viruses , SARS and Covid 19 , and all the deaths worldwide -

 

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Is that the case in both. of them?

Wet market?

[billybob]

T-cells:

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity#

[OO1]

5 minutes ago, billybob said:

Is that the case in both. of them?

Wet market?

 

 

, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323155/

:

SARS was no 1 ,  it was determined to originate  from the wet market animals and it spread to humans  ,  but , Covid 19 is bi-causal, the Chinese GVNMT says it spread from the wet market and not via contamination  by a lab who tested animals sold at the wet market -

but now we learn , the data from a 2nd lab was wiped clean  , because of cross contamination of the wet market with the samples  from the CDCC which  is a  BSL-2  lab , 280 meters away  --

 

 

[billybob]

2 minutes ago, RANDYH said:

 

 

, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323155/

:

SARS was no 1 ,  it was determined to originate  from the wet market animals and it spread to humans  ,  but , Covid 19 is bi-causal, the Chinese GVNMT says it spread from the wet market and not via contamination  by a lab who tested animals sold at the wet market -

but now we learn , the data from a 2nd lab was wiped clean  , because of cross contamination of the wet market with the samples  from the CDCC which  is a  BSL-2  lab , 280 meters away  --

 

 

So, if in fact covid 1 did originate in the wet market, no wonder the hard look again at the same.

Yes, the new release! from the Chinese is informative on the origin?!

[Travis In Austin]

On 5/15/2020 at 11:36 AM, billybob said:

The hearing the other day is looking at the fall, early winter

for a vaccine.

Thought he said phase1 done by Fall (this tracks the gov trials site) phase II end of year, which would track vaccine "by end of year."

[billybob]

1 minute ago, dwilawyer said:

Thought he said phase1 done by Fall (this tracks the gov trials site) phase II end of year, which would track vaccine "by end of year."

It maybe necessary to look at the video of the hearing again for clarification. I may not have heard

what I thought. Think most about the vaccine fast tracked discussion occurred during the second half of the video.