Covid19 redux

[Deang]

3 minutes ago, RANDYH said:

no -it's a mess , and the errors are piling up , had they not muzzled Dr Fauci  and implemented a National health strategy  , across all USA States ,by setting up a Governors meeting with the WH at the onset  and acted in 1 United Front ,  the results may have been very different -

Right, because when you're not prepared and don't have a plan, expect mistakes. They also waited too long. By the time they put the travel ban in place it was too late.

[pzannucci]

23 minutes ago, Deang said:

 

Another politician doing a shitty thing is not news, not anymore.

 

Here in Ohio, it hit three prisons pretty hard. So, the real take is that when you don't or can't employ distancing or mitigation measures, expect this thing to do a lot of damage in short order. 

 

"Do you see any real fear in their actions that would exist if they really thought this was a real pandemic?"

 

Yes Dave, it's a hoax, it's all make believe.

Definitely not a full blown hoax though some are using it for lockdown..  Time is in order to start protecting vulnerable and get back to life.  I doubt this is going away anytime soon.  The politics and insanity like "can't mow your lawn" or "buy seeds to plant" needs to have the people wake up and vote the idiots that can't use science out of office.  Hopefully people wake up to their strength and don't ignore this.

[richieb]

22 minutes ago, Deang said:

 

Another politician doing a shitty thing is not news, not anymore.

 

Here in Ohio, it hit three prisons pretty hard. So, the real take is that when you don't or can't employ distancing or mitigation measures, expect this thing to do a lot of damage in short order. 

 

"Do you see any real fear in their actions that would exist if they really thought this was a real pandemic?"

 

Yes Dave, it's a hoax, it's all make believe.

We have a state prison, Lansing and the Big House, the federal penitentiary at Leavenworth about 25 miles just north of us. Lansing has seen cases and a staffer has died but no true “outbreaks”. I haven’t read of any cases at Leavenworth or at least non have surfaced.

And several hours west of here in Ford County, Dodge City area, is ranked as the 10th “hot spot” in the country. Several meat packing facilities account for those. 

[OO1]

1 minute ago, Deang said:

Right, because when you're not prepared and don't have a plan, expect mistakes. They also waited too long. By the time they put the travel ban in place it was too late.

sad ---0 -cooperation

[Deang]

Here in Ohio the rules have made sense. The only one that hasn't is the closing down of the state parks. I still don't get that one.

 

And they should be doing all of this by county. A county with 30 cases shouldn't have the same measures as one with 1300.

[Bosco-d-gama]

3 minutes ago, Deang said:

Right, because when you're not prepared and don't have a plan, expect mistakes. They also waited too long. By the time they put the travel ban in place it was too late.

And there were some who screeched that the travel ban was “xenophobic”.

[pzannucci]

8 minutes ago, RANDYH said:

no -it's a mess , and the errors are piling up , had they not muzzled Dr Fauci  and implemented a National health strategy  , across all USA States ,by setting up a Governors meeting with the WH at the onset  and acted in 1 United Front ,  the results may have been very different -

Yes, where are the statistics?  Oh you can't get the real statistics through the media or will nobody want to share real statistics (nor do what is needed to acquire them)?

 

The only real way to make decisions is with data.  The different factions have been hiding or attempting to not get the data to qualify it because it might break the narrative.  You never know, it may actually justify it though these folks know more than we do so I think I know which direction the data evaluation will go.

[richieb]

3 minutes ago, Deang said:

Right, because when you're not prepared and don't have a plan, expect mistakes. They also waited too long. By the time they put the travel ban in place it was too late.

And recall the pushback and calls for “racism” when it was implemented? Too soon, too late there was no winning in the political eye —

[pzannucci]

6 minutes ago, Deang said:

Right, because when you're not prepared and don't have a plan, expect mistakes. They also waited too long. By the time they put the travel ban in place it was too late.

Still a lot of errors, or maybe just the ability to have plausible deniability toward tracking and actual statistics to be able to draw conclusions from.  Let's do 50000 random tests in the 10 largest cities.  Let's look at the numbers and come up with a possible statistical analysis to understand the penetration and actual infection vs death rate.

[CECAA850]

2 minutes ago, richieb said:

Too soon, too late

All comments are slanted with November in mind.

[Deang]

1 minute ago, pzannucci said:

Yes, where are the statistics?  Oh you can't get the real statistics through the media or will nobody want to share real statistics (nor do what is needed to acquire them)?

 

The only real way to make decisions is with data. The different factions have been hiding or attempting to not get the data to qualify it because it might break the narrative. You never know, it may actually justify it though these folks know more than we do so I think I know which direction the data evaluation will go.

 

We are never going to get the numbers we need until they implement wide spread testing and contract tracing. With everything opening back up and with testing on the rise, we're going to know in the next month or so where we really stand.

[pzannucci]

4 minutes ago, richieb said:

And recall the pushback and calls for “racism” when it was implemented? Too soon, too late there was no winning in the political eye —

Nah, why are they on TV saying the opposite?  As long as China let the folks fly all over the world, it was going to infect the world.  We just should have been better prepared.

[Deang]

5 minutes ago, pzannucci said:

Still a lot of errors, or maybe just the ability to have plausible deniability toward tracking and actual statistics to be able to draw conclusions from.  Let's do 50000 random tests in the 10 largest cities.  Let's look at the numbers and come up with a possible statistical analysis to understand the penetration and actual infection vs death rate.

That's kind of where we're at now. You can also look at other countries that have done extensive testing.

 

It's not the flu, but it spreads like the flu. They understand a lot about how it works. I don't think there is any mystery about that. I mean think about it -- is there any question as to what this thing does in places with a high population densitiy?

[Bosco-d-gama]

America’s travel ban on China was invoked against China’s wishes and contrary to direction from the WHO. It was considered radical at the time by the media and avid critics. Now the same media and critics embrace the opposite position and complain that the ban was too late.  Some just seek to complain. 
 

Of course ‘too late’ is the correct answer and if China and the WHO had been honest or efficient or whatever complete travel bans should’ve been in play in early January. 

[Travis In Austin]

10 minutes ago, Deang said:

Right, because when you're not prepared and don't have a plan, expect mistakes. They also waited too long. By the time they put the travel ban in place it was too late.

Coincidently, we watched two items on Amazon Prime this weekend. The first was a documentary about getting prepared for avian flu, being prepared, stockpiling antiviral medications, etc. It call The Coming Pandemic.  They discussed not if, but when. The experts laid out what would need to occur to minimize deaths, impact, etc.  It was made 15 years ago in 2005. They (the experts) have been warning about a bug coming out of Asia for decades and what is necessary to be prepared.

 

The other was a Korean made disaster type movie call The Flu (go figure). It was made in 2013.

 

Both were interesting to watch in light of the current reality.

[pzannucci]

11 minutes ago, Deang said:

 

We are never going to get the numbers we need until they implement wide spread testing and contract tracing. With everything opening back up and with testing on the rise, we're going to know in the next month or so where we really stand.

I guess if we see a second wave, we'll know.

[Travis In Austin]

4 hours ago, pzannucci said:

So people are finally taking off their rose colored glasses.  What do they all think that lab did?  Just dumb to ignore because China denies it, or have they denied that part.

They don't know. They conclude that more evidence needs to be gathered. 

[pzannucci]

1 minute ago, dwilawyer said:

They don't know. They conclude that more evidence needs to be gathered. 

Absolutely.  At least a lot of folks are becoming more open to that possibility.  

It really doesn't matter unless the release was on purpose.  We know that bats just didn't migrate there to be eaten in a wet market 🙂

 

What was on purpose is allowing the people to fly out of Wuhan to other parts of the world vs into other areas of China.  That was definitely calculated so basically taking advantage of a situation.  Then denial is easy.

[OO1]

1 hour ago, CECAA850 said:

All comments are slanted

I hope not

[Deang]

9 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:

America’s travel ban on China was invoked against China’s wishes and contrary to direction from the WHO. It was considered radical at the time by the media and avid critics. Now the same media and critics embrace the opposite position and complain that the ban was too late.  Some just seek to complain. 
 

Of course ‘too late’ is the correct answer and if China and the WHO had been honest or efficient or whatever complete travel bans should’ve been in play in early January. 

 

 

Turns out it started as a travel restriction, not a ban. By the time it was issued, it was already in the US.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/