billybob Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Well... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 8 hours ago, JJkizak said: The virus could have come from a lab but the scientists that analyzed the DNA have said it definitely was not a constructed or lab modified strain. JJK My belief that release was intentional stems, in part, from reading about experiments like these over the years: https://www.businessinsider.com/military-government-secret-experiments-biological-chemical-weapons-2016-9#what-we-learned-6 https://priceonomics.com/how-the-us-government-tested-biological-warfare-on/ We will never know the truth, but we certainly will have to live with the consequences..... Maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 4 hours ago, CECAA850 said: A good article on masks by the New England Journal of Medicine. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372 So what did you glean from that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 50 minutes ago, Deang said: So what did you glean from that? I think that their opinion is that masks are basically useless if your wearing them to keep from getting the virus. Your take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Deang said: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836 They did a piss poor job of getting their point across in the first paper then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Not really. The idea is that public movement is transient, you’re just not standing in someone’s presence long enough to be at risk - so the masks aren’t really required (they aren’t doing much). But at work and many other places, where distance can’t be maintained, the masks work. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco-d-gama Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: I think that their opinion is that masks are basically useless if your wearing them to keep from getting the virus. Your take? The standard masks do NOT prevent you from contracting the virus - if - you are amply exposed to the virus. The standard masks will greatly help stop a person with covid19 from spreading covid19. The standard masks work to impede the spread of the disease. If you can obtain an N-95 mask they’re supposed to keep you from getting covid19 if you’re amply exposed to the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 It’s easier just to say, “my mask protects you from me, and yours protects me from you.” This is the case with general face coverings and surgical type masks. N95 and KN95 masks only work to directly protect you if they are properly fitted. I’ve seen some around here wearing them, and they’re so loose they aren’t getting any real level of protection. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I have an N95 that I use for quick trips into a place. It's uncomfortable and hard to breathe through. For longer trips I use my P100 respirator (That pink/yellow mask they use in Breaking Bad) that I picked up a few years ago for cleaning out the chicken coop. Infinitely more comfortable to wear and breathe through, and people give me a wide berth like I'm some crazy prepper guy that's overreacting. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 P100 & N100. Can't believe I didn't think of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Matthews Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Sorry if someone posted this already. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/who-admits-china-never-reported-the-existence-of-coronavirus-outbreak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Act of War by China. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 16 hours ago, JJkizak said: I would hope you can explain "Bred" and "Tricks" with scientific details that don't violate the laws of physics. JJK Mutated may be a better word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco-d-gama Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Back to the covid19 vs influenza debate. Earlier the covid19 was sketchy for a number of reasons. Now they have more concrete data. They say covid19 is 50 to 100 X more lethal than the flu. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-deadlier-than-many-believed-infection-fatality-rate-cvd/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I don't understand why this article starts and is headlined with "helps survive better" but in conclusion almost states the opposite. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/ Very nice write up: https://twitter.com/zev_dr/status/1277295546793951232/photo/1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzannucci Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, pzannucci said: I don't understand why this article starts and is headlined with "helps survive better" but in conclusion almost states the opposite. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-detroit-study/index.html https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/07/02/michigan-henry-ford-health-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-lowers-covid-19-death-rate/5365090002/ Very nice write up: https://twitter.com/zev_dr/status/1277295546793951232/photo/1 Other US studies, 50% reduction from 26% death rate to 13%. I guess WHO needed to drop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KlipschFish Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 10 hours ago, Sancho Panza said: Act of War by China. It may be something. But according to 18 U.S.C. § 2331 it isn't an act of war. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 You don't do war with China without Russia standing next to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The video posted here last week on Elmhurst had Erin and her hospital doctor in Florida treating covid saying Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc worked on saving all their patients. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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