Moderators dtel Posted May 29, 2020 Moderators Share Posted May 29, 2020 19 minutes ago, Gilbert said: 17 hours ago, DizRotus said: How much gas can it save to offset the cost of a starter? exactly........ I'd deactivate the switch, can't stand that feature. The primary intent is to save the ozone, saving gasoline (oil) was secondary. We never use it, it would depend on where you have to drive as to the change in mpg. For us it was maby on a good trial maby 1 mpg better but I doubt that much. It's useless for us. Over the life of the car i really doubt it would save you enough to replace the alternator, which is the starter when that system is running, even under perfect conditions. I am sure not with all cars it was an afterthought like on the Saturn. We had the exact same car, same color same engine, everything except not the hybrid but got rid of it for this one with 1/2 the miles on it for very close to a swap price. When we looked at this one we never realized it was a hybrid, or this type anyway, our fault. It was such an afterthought with this car the hybrid system is in the bottom of the rear floor, it's an suv. It goes across the round recessed part where the spare tire would go, so the spare, if you want one has to sit in the back taking up space. New the car came with a little air compressor and a can of fix a flat. I had no idea about this kind of hybrid, but will never have one again. It was our fault but now we know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 hours ago, dtel said: We never use it, it would depend on where you have to drive as to the change in mpg. For us it was maby on a good trial maby 1 mpg better but I doubt that much. I actually checked that. When we're not hunkered-down for a pandemic, my driving is virtually identical, week-to-week. So for one week I left it on, another I left it off. The difference was 0.1 mpg. That's right -- 1/10. That's within the measurement error, and could be caused by weather, bad stoplight karma, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 A girlfriend of mine had a Mini, that had that feature. Personally, I didn't care for it. The reason being, it was simply audible within the car. I like a quiet car, one that is seen and not heard, which is not a Mini. If the engines stop, start feature didn't intrude into the cabin, I probably wouldn't mind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 It took some digging in the owner’s manual, but I was able to confirm the existence of the “Auto-Stop” feature and how to disable it. As others have articulated, I don’t see this as a direct benefit to me, but as a way for Ford to meet CAFE standards and/or emissions regulations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 In regards to the Jeep Grand Cherokee I believe it is an option for over $1,000.00. And the batteries they use for that option would choke a horse. (You need a fork lift to remove it) JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 6 minutes ago, JJkizak said: In regards to the Jeep Grand Cherokee I believe it is an option for over $1,000.00. And the batteries they use for that option would choke a horse. (You need a fork lift to remove it) Do you mean hybrid, or do you mean start/stop? The hybrid won't be available until 2021. The start/stop has been standard for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Edgar said: Do you mean hybrid, or do you mean start/stop? The hybrid won't be available until 2021. The start/stop has been standard for years. Just the start/stop unless I made a mistake. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, JJkizak said: Just the start/stop unless I made a mistake. Start/stop was standard equipment on my 2017 GC. I didn't want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Edgar said: Start/stop was standard equipment on my 2017 GC. I didn't want it. Have you looked at the size of the battery yet? JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, JJkizak said: Have you looked at the size of the battery yet? Nah. This is the first vehicle that I've ever owned that I considered to be an "appliance". I don't modify it, I don't wrench on it, I don't care about it. I just get in, push the button, and drive. I guess the years are catching up with me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, JJkizak said: Have you looked at the size of the battery yet? JJK Our new Wrangler, with stop/start has the same V6 engine, or darn near, as a Cherokee. The battery is just a battery, no bigger than normal — . These systems are not options - you are stuck with them and luckily with a simple push button to disengage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 2 hours ago, JJkizak said: Have you looked at the size of the battery yet? JJK It's a normal size battery, I have no idea what you're referring to. Some stop start vehicles have a small secondary battery about the size of a motorcycle battery. It runs the interior electronics. The larger battery will be used to start the vehicle. The Grand Cherokee and Durango have batteries located under the passenger front seat. They have one normal size AGM battery and one tiny AGM battery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, richieb said: Our new Wrangler, with stop/start has the same V6 engine, or darn near, as a Cherokee. The battery is just a battery, no bigger than normal — . These systems are not options - you are stuck with them and luckily with a simple push button to disengage You could possibly have 2 depending on options. The second small one will either be under the existing battery tray or behind the wheel well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, CECAA850 said: You could possibly have 2 depending on options. The second small one will either be under the existing battery tray or behind the wheel well. Who would know better - Thanks. Check I will — Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 That's something new--two batteries. I should have looked under the seats and behind the wheel wells. Thanks for clearing up the battery issues. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted May 31, 2020 Author Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/29/2020 at 9:43 AM, Edgar said: Nah. This is the first vehicle that I've ever owned that I considered to be an "appliance". I don't modify it, I don't wrench on it, I don't care about it. I just get in, push the button, and drive. I guess the years are catching up with me. I’ve felt that way with all my vehicles after selling the one in my avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I'm not sure exactly when the stop start feature came out on Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram vehicles but I'm guessing it's been 5 or 6 years. Our shop has yet had to replace 1 starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 On 5/29/2020 at 6:45 AM, Edgar said: I actually checked that. When we're not hunkered-down for a pandemic, my driving is virtually identical, week-to-week. So for one week I left it on, another I left it off. The difference was 0.1 mpg. That's right -- 1/10. That's within the measurement error, and could be caused by weather, bad stoplight karma, etc. More city driving equals more gas savings. More highway driving equals less gas savings. Some people will benefit more than others. YMMV. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgar Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 37 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: More city driving equals more gas savings. More highway driving equals less gas savings. Some people will benefit more than others. YMMV. lol. I understand that. So, for someone like me who doesn't benefit from it, why can't I turn it off permanently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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