jdmccall Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 In light of the fact(?) that PWK aspired to build and market a 2-way klipschorn and that Klipsch will indeed offer such a design as the "Jubilee", what would the community think of all the other models in the Heritage family eventually being redesigned as 2-ways? Could it happen? Would it be a win-win or would there be a downside? Just one of those things I like to ponder in my nerdy old age.🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreG. Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Surely just as "entrance models", right? The Heritage series has been around for more than 50 years and as such i think, the main line won´t change. Maybe they would try to gain a bit more mass apeal, so to say. If that is a good thing, who knows... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmccall Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 No, not as entrance models. My point is, if PWK thought a two-way could be good enough for the Jubilee, then why not for the rest of the line? There certainly are those who hold to the idea of the two way as being potentially better sounding than three-ways. Of course, arguments can be made either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Really good 2-way speakers depend on having a tweeter with a very wide frequency capability, typically a compression driver. Those drivers are expensive, probably more expensive than a mid-priced tweeter and squawker (mid driver) combined. Also, for a beginner in audio, the 3-way speaker might seem like more for the money than a 2-way speaker. Finally, the Jubilee and JubScala are bi-amped, with active electronic crossovers, which adds to the cost, but greatly adds to their performance. Comparing speakers like those to more basic 2-way speakers is really an apples-to-oranges situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Jubilee... heritage? Jubilee is a professional model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Schu said: Jubilee... heritage? Jubilee is a professional model. Jubilee was originally designed/intended to be a residential speaker... it's just uber-cool that a residential designed speaker is good enough to reside in a cinema lineup!! Otherwise, I'd say they won't do it.... I think the company (or Roy at least) are trying to keep them in the spirit of PWK's designs. Maybe that has or will changed but if that's still accurate, then I'd say they'll just be refined as opposed to redesigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Oh, and it was originally intended to become the Khorn II..... which probably makes it Heritage influenced if not qualified?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted August 7, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 7, 2020 https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/147255-jubilee-kpt-khj-lf-k402-kpt-k402-fact-sheets/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmccall Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Somewhere, there's a picture of PWK standing in front of the as-it-then-stood klipschorn II, or Jubilee. Pretty cool, I thought at the time. Now Crites markets a 2-way variant of his "cornscala" (is that word still allowed here?🤫) So, if Crites can do a cornwall clone as a 2-way, I know klipsch could. Whether they would want to is another question. I think all the Heritage models could be redone as two-ways without getting away from the PWK spirit of the design. True enough, many potential buyers would view it as an economizing move, which might be partially true, but I think the goal would be better sound via a simpler crossover. Didn't Einstein once say that things "should be made as simple as possible but not simpler than possible"?🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, jdmccall said: Somewhere, there's a picture of PWK standing in front of the as-it-then-stood klipschorn II, or Jubilee. Pretty cool, I thought at the time. Now Crites markets a 2-way variant of his "cornscala" (is that word still allowed here?🤫) So, if Crites can do a cornwall clone as a 2-way, I know klipsch could. Whether they would want to is another question. I think all the Heritage models could be redone as two-ways without getting away from the PWK spirit of the design. True enough, many potential buyers would view it as an economizing move, which might be partially true, but I think the goal would be better sound via a simpler crossover. Didn't Einstein once say that things "should be made as simple as possible but not simpler than possible"?🙂 you'll be very happy with 3 way Cornwall 4 ------and if they weren't 3 way , they wouldn't sound as good , the best JBL speakers were 4 ways ----more is better - 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 1:56 AM, jdmccall said: Somewhere, there's a picture of PWK standing in front of the as-it-then-stood klipschorn II, or Jubilee. Pretty cool, I thought at the time. Now Crites markets a 2-way variant of his "cornscala" (is that word still allowed here?🤫) So, if Crites can do a cornwall clone as a 2-way, I know klipsch could. Whether they would want to is another question. I think all the Heritage models could be redone as two-ways without getting away from the PWK spirit of the design. True enough, many potential buyers would view it as an economizing move, which might be partially true, but I think the goal would be better sound via a simpler crossover. Didn't Einstein once say that things "should be made as simple as possible but not simpler than possible"?🙂 ooooooops ------3 way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmccall Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 Here's one. PWK in front of his 2-way horn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdmccall Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, RandyH000 said: you'll be very happy with 3 way Cornwall 4 ------and if they weren't 3 way , they wouldn't sound as good , the best JBL speakers were 4 ways ----more is better - I don't think I've heard any 4-way JBL's. But then, I don't get out much. I've always been in the "less is more" camp, personally. Unless the subject is speakers....or sex (then)...or Cheetos (now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEngVic Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 The RF-7 series is a world class two way speaker. The heritage line is just that, heritage. Any new design would not be a heritage until many years later IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted August 9, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2020 20 hours ago, RandyH000 said: ooooooops ------3 way I'm pretty sure that was designed to play through a screen in a movie theater. If I remember correctly ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 5 hours ago, dtel said: I'm pretty sure that was designed to play through a screen in a movie theater. If I remember correctly ? they are installed in small theaters , even in Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted August 9, 2020 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2020 I had no idea, or any idea they were still being used. I have never heard one of those midbass horns, kind of looks like what is on the MCM Grand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 hours ago, dtel said: I had no idea, or any idea they were still being used- discontinued by klipsch - -KPT-XII 12-inch horn-loaded mid-bass device with a KPT 904 HF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 On 8/8/2020 at 1:56 AM, jdmccall said: Somewhere, there's a picture of PWK standing in front of the as-it-then-stood klipschorn II, or Jubilee. Pretty cool, I thought at the time. Now Crites markets a 2-way variant of his "cornscala" (is that word still allowed here?🤫) So, if Crites can do a cornwall clone as a 2-way, I know klipsch could. Whether they would want to is another question. I think all the Heritage models could be redone as two-ways without getting away from the PWK spirit of the design. True enough, many potential buyers would view it as an economizing move, which might be partially true, but I think the goal would be better sound via a simpler crossover. Didn't Einstein once say that things "should be made as simple as possible but not simpler than possible"?🙂 I've said on a time or two.... I think it would be nice if Klipsch would offer some variances.... specifically the LaScala with a choice of HF tops....one with the traditional K401/77 and another with the K510. Same top, same everythying, just let a buyer make the decision.... To that end, I personally think you could slap that little K510 into something like the Cornwall (presuming it would fit in all dimensions) and take that to a 2-way... maybe it would sell like yesterday's left-overs.... I don't know. I just think there is a market there for that improved sound and they already have the parts.....so it's simply putting them together in a different fitted situation (crossover issue not withstanding) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrofan Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I know there are arguments both ways, but generally I have found that I prefer the sound of 3 way speakers over 2 way. Just seems like there is a hole in the midrange of the 2 ways I have heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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