Peter P. Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I bought my Heresy II's used. I opened them up to examine the insides and found a sheet of foam surrounding the woofer half of the cabinet (just a sheet of foam loosely separating the woofer from the midrange and the tweeter). Since it appeared the previous owner may have tinkered with them, I'm wondering whether the foam was an addition or is it OEM? And while we're on the subject, what's the purpose of the foam found in speakers? Are some materials better than others? Did Heresy's always come with foam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Heresys did not always come with foam. I have seen numerous later Heresies with a sheet of grey foam loose inside the cabinet. A photo of what you found might help determine whether OEM or the result of tinkering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Peter P. said: what's the purpose of the foam found in speakers? The original foam insert was installed inside the Heresy II cabinets to help control standing waves inside the cabinet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 My IIs from 1990 had that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter P. Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 Khornukopia's picture is exactly what I have. Anybody know if the Heresy III or IV have foam? Same foam and same application? From the way it's installed, it sure doesn't seem like it's too important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 4:15 PM, Peter P. said: Khornukopia's picture is exactly what I have. Anybody know if the Heresy III or IV have foam? Same foam and same application? From the way it's installed, it sure doesn't seem like it's too important. The foam is exactly where it needs to be, and has not fallen down after 30 years, so it appears to have been installed as good as was required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Looks like something OEM would have done. Each Klipsch model I have had had the same type of foam placed in various configurations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I’ve read that foam sheeting is used in speaker cabinets to provide “virtual volume”, so the cabinet seems to be a bit bigger than its actual size, acoustically speaking. And yes, my Heresy IIs have foam sheeting in their cabinets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Islander said: I’ve read that foam sheeting is used in speaker cabinets to provide “virtual volume”, so the cabinet seems to be a bit bigger than its actual size, acoustically speaking. And yes, my Heresy IIs have foam sheeting in their cabinets. Hmm, I was under the impression that the foam sheets were used to reduce standing waves in the cabinets. Maybe someone could clarify which way it is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 hours ago, Alexander said: Hmm, I was under the impression that the foam sheets were used to reduce standing waves in the cabinets. Maybe someone could clarify which way it is used. It could be there for both reasons. Any engineers here who could clarify the reason for foam or Fiberglas sheeting inside speaker cabinets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 9:41 AM, DizRotus said: Heresys did not always come with foam. I have seen numerous later Heresies with a sheet of grey foam loose inside the cabinet. A photo of what you found might help determine whether OEM or the result of tinkering. right on Neil - -klipsch has been stuffing loose foam for years inside speakers around woofers ------watch the AL5 build video at the 2min 53 seconds mark- and you'll see a plain gray foam piece inserted around the K33 woofer inside the dog-house 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidF Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 The foam is there to suppress some of the sound energy bouncing around in the enclosure. As sound waves pass through foam, fiberglass or similar, some of that energy is converted to heat from the friction of passing through the fibers/cells. The amount of foam or enclosure stuffing is always a balance in what you are trying to achieve. Here the amount of foam is relatively small and therefore targets mid range frequencies that could set up standing waves. Using a large amount of stuffing in a sealed enclosure may act in a way that allows the woofer to "see" a larger enclosure. But this also changes the Q of the speaker considerably so some amount of thought should be given in how you are affecting the enclosure and woofer as a system. Personally, I do not care for the sound of highly-stuffed enclosures. Too much constriction in dynamics. I have tried this on limited occasions so experiences may vary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummagumma-89 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Can confirm one of the heresy IIs i just bought have that exact foam grey sheet. The other speaker had a different woofer and the last guy had thrown it out. When I worked on the original speaker, as soon as I touched the foam, it began to deteriorate and fall apart. Also have tangent 500s and they have the same crossover network (square heresy 2 rectangular plate) and speakers as the HII. The xover literally says heresy 2 on them. Anyway, i got these t500s for a steal and from what I could see have never been opened up. Maybe someone can confirm this, No speaker gasket foam whatsoever between woofers/tweeters and wood itself, 2 of THE EXACT sheets of foam loosely placed on the left and right walls of the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 The foam is definitely there for a reason. Since the engineers at Klipsch worked out how much foam to use, the dimensions of it, where it should be placed, and whether it should be sitting loosely in the cabinet or attached somewhere, through calculations, measurements, and listening tests, I think that experimenting at home with it is more likely to impair the sound than improve it. Also, with Heritage Series speakers built in the 1980s, it’s quite possible that PWK himself took part in some of the testing. If there’s anyone in the world whom I would feel foolish trying to second-guess, it would be Mister Klipsch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 4 hours ago, ummagumma-89 said: No speaker gasket foam whatsoever between woofers/tweeters and wood itself, 2 of THE EXACT sheets of foam loosely placed on the left and right walls of the cab. in the Heresy II -----or the CW II ------( not sure about the Tangent 500 ) there is a very thin black rubber or silicone gasket between the motorboard and the tweeter and midrange drivers ---- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummagumma-89 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 Yes, my H2's have them too, but not the Tangents. I just thought it was strange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 the Heresy II was MDF vs Particle board in the Tangents , could be , the particle board seals better ? I doubt somebody would remove gaskets- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Whitlow Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 I bought my Heresy II's used. I opened them up to examine the insides and found a sheet of foam surrounding the woofer half of the cabinet (just a sheet of foam loosely separating the woofer from the midrange and the tweeter). Since it appeared the previous owner may have tinkered with them, I'm wondering whether the foam was an addition or is it OEM? And while we're on the subject, what's the purpose of the foam found in speakers? Are some materials better than others? Did Heresy's always come with foam?I have two pair of Heresys that are 1979 and 1983. I have never opened them up. Would they have the foam? A previous pair I had, 1978, did not.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted April 18, 2021 Share Posted April 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tony Whitlow said: I have two pair of Heresys that are 1979 and 1983. I have never opened them up. Would they have the foam? A previous pair I had, 1978, did not. you have the Heresy 1 -----79-83 , these were made with plywood with 2 birch plys , the birch compresses --------they rolled out of the factory without gaskets - they started adding gaskets on the 1985-86 Heresy II ---which was MDF --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Whitlow Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 you have the Heresy 1 -----79-83 , these were made with plywood with 2 birch plys , the birch compresses --------they rolled out of the factory without gaskets - they started adding gaskets on the 1985-86 Heresy II ---which was MDF ---I know what they are. I bought the 78s new from a reputable Klipsch dealer and they did not have the foam. My question is not about gaskets, but about the foam.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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