richieb Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 The new owners of our house have asked for GFI’s to be installed in the kitchen where due to the age of the home we’re not required and are not present. So there are three duplex outlets, two with light switch, on the sink side wall. Looking at the wall the far right and center duplexes have two white/two black wires+ ground. Far left duplex is one white/one black + ground. None of them work when power is turned on although the two switches only work. No “operation” light on, nothing happens when resetting. Breakers are working. Is there something I’m missing about “daisy chaining” GFI’s? Playing with the “blue fire” is not my forte—. Ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 1 hour ago, richieb said: Ideas? Hire an electrician. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlthess40 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 When I bought my house last year. The mortgage company required the previous owner to install them in the house. Anywhere where there was a water Fossett . So like the kitchen, bathrooms & laundry room and any of the outside sockets , and the garage, because the water heater is in the garageSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 In my area the city does not allow light switches on kitchen outlets. Also when you make a change the wiring has to be brought up to code and for a kitchen it's a minimum of four number 10 outlets. Each outlet can be a GFI plug or each circuit can be a GFI circuit breaker. Well anyway I don't know what the codes are now with all the electronic baloney involved. A plug behind the refrigerator should have one circuit with a GFI breaker. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 clarification please. Used to be regular (non GFI) outlets and they worked? Changed out to GFI type and they do not work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I assume you hit the reset buttons? Pushed them all the way in? JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codewritinfool Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 “Daisy chaining” GFI’s can cause nuisance trips downstream. I don’t understand why you’d want to do that anyway. Typically for a branch circuit, you’d identify the first receptacle in the chain and put the GFI there, then parallel downstream outlets on the circuit powered from the load side of the GFI. Call an electrician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Get an electrician to bring that wiring up to current code. You don’t want to make a mistake and have something go wrong that will cause the new owner a problem he’ll want you to pay for. A possibly very expensive problem. The little money it will cost is more than worth it for your peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 I join the chorus advising the employment of a licensed electrician. What say you Brett @bhenry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 4:47 PM, richieb said: The new owners of our house have asked for GFI’s to be installed in the kitchen where due to the age of the home we’re not required and are not present. So there are three duplex outlets, two with light switch, on the sink side wall. Looking at the wall the far right and center duplexes have two white/two black wires+ ground. Far left duplex is one white/one black + ground. None of them work when power is turned on although the two switches only work. No “operation” light on, nothing happens when resetting. Breakers are working. Is there something I’m missing about “daisy chaining” GFI’s? Playing with the “blue fire” is not my forte—. Ideas? Did you wire the GFI's backwards? There's an "in" and a protected downstream side to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I assume OP got it fixed. @richieb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, babadono said: I assume OP got it fixed. @richieb We're working on it. Getting the line and load circuits straight now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 So he had the ins/outs mixed up? And for this others suggested an electrician? "I moved 3 wires, that'll be $400". California jaded, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted September 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 8:40 AM, codewritinfool said: Daisy chaining” GFI’s can cause nuisance trips downstream. I don’t understand why you’d want to do that anyway. True, put the GFI in the first receptacle in the circuit and the others are covered, no reason to have more. Never tried more than one on a circuit, it may cause a problem ? . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, babadono said: So he had the ins/outs mixed up? And for this others suggested an electrician? "I moved 3 wires, that'll be $400". California jaded, I suppose. Fixed now. The 3 plugs were on 2 different circuits so he needed 2 GFIs. Once the line and load on the hot side got straightened out the sockets still didn't work. He had to switch the neutrals and everything started working as it should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Switched the neutrals? I'll take your word for it. Draw me a pic. at SWAG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted September 21, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 21, 2020 Not a big deal, a little shock therapy could do some good for most people, it wakes you up and makes you feel alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, babadono said: Switched the neutrals? I'll take your for it. Draw me a pic. at SWAG. OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilbert Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 5:56 PM, Thaddeus Smith said: Hire an electrician. It's only electricity, what could possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richieb Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 hours ago, babadono said: Switched the neutrals? I'll take your word for it. Draw me a pic. at SWAG. 5 hours ago, CECAA850 said: Fixed now. The 3 plugs were on 2 different circuits so he needed 2 GFIs. Once the line and load on the hot side got straightened out the sockets still didn't work. He had to switch the neutrals and everything started working as it should. Kudos to The Blue Fire Professor. I was in deep, up to my neck, Carl threw me a rope. Had my line/load terminology all mixed up and thought common was just that - common. Good learning experience, didn’t get zapped once. The session went so well I’m considering, although not strongly, taking back most everything I’ve ever posted about Carl. He’s a target hard to miss. And yeah on this beautiful day in KC - suns out, guns out - right Carl 👉💪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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