Thaddeus Smith Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 2 channel with a TV. La Scalas (ish) with the nice open back ESS drivers and TH-Spud clones will all be on the front stage. Just a single listening position. Side wall heights are 4ft and the loft dimensions are 23' x 24'. The build is many years off and will be our grow-old-in-it house, but this loft space will likely be my primary spot for listening and office/den type paraphernalia. So how would you orient within the space, what are the compromises, and what are the strengths? I'd be going with carpet, thinking of shortening and raising the window, plenty of flexibility for running dedicated circuits, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Big fan of sound clouds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Schu said: Big fan of sound clouds... parallel to the floor or ceiling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 I would think the floor. Is this your house now? Beautiful, btw. We currently have a one story house, other than three steps down to ground level, which was the former garage and is now our 21x23 music/tv room. How is your health? I'm 71 and able to do stairs just fine, but we want our final home (while alive) to be a single floor. Then we're pretty much set for what may come. Bruce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Marvel said: I would think the floor. Is this your house now? Beautiful, btw. We currently have a one story house, other than three steps down to ground level, which was the former garage and is now our 21x23 music/tv room. How is your health? I'm 71 and able to do stairs just fine, but we want our final home (while alive) to be a single floor. Then we're pretty much set for whatmay come. Bruce Nah. We're on our land and the current house is falling apart, but we'll own it outright in a few years and then build the new house 50 yrds or so north in the pasture. We'll raise the current house to ground and use the foundation for a new barn, keep the current detached garage as-is, etc. We've planted a flag in this design after browsing through countless options - it's got good basic structure that will support the remaining few years our girls will have with us at the time of build, and the layout is good for a few modifications we want at the time of build. I'm 38 currently, so I'm hoping stairs won't be a problem for a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windashine Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 .... o O (re-think the stair idea... ie... the whole 2nd floor thing) the design presented above does not go well with the concept of "growing old" and "knee's" nevertheless...LaScalas with ESS tophats and submerged spuds will difinitely improve the weather forecast show's.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 21, 2020 Author Share Posted September 21, 2020 To that point.. I look through the plans from time to time and do some day dreaming about the future, which left me wondering what I might need to deal with in the loft space for listening purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Thaddeus Smith said: 2 channel with a TV. La Scalas (ish) with the nice open back ESS drivers and TH-Spud clones will all be on the front stage. Just a single listening position. Side wall heights are 4ft and the loft dimensions are 23' x 24'...So how would you orient within the space, what are the compromises, and what are the strengths? The real advantage of the AMT-1s over the stock K-400 midrange horns/K-55 drivers is that you don't have to worry about the loss of vertical directivity of the midrange horn/driver like you do with stock La Scalas. So you can put the AMT/La Scalas just about anywhere that you wish and still get an outstanding center phantom image without having to use a lot of absorption around the loudspeakers. The SPUDs can go wherever you need to put them to get good LF coverage at whatever listening position that you choose. Just about any position where the AMT-1s are putting their output toward the center of the room (forward or rear) will work to provide coverage across the room. The only constraint that I see is the bass bin coverage above 200 Hz--that would probably need to be aimed toward the center of the living/listening space. Chris 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubo Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 I have had good luck with LaScallas in just about any space 10-15 feet apart they sound great Corners, no corners doesn't matter. On the wall or off of the wall works. Thick carpet in the middle of the room is a plus Absorbent furniture is a plus Book cases with books or curtains at the back of the room for damping. Sound is always better with open windows. Glass is highly reflective, curtains work for damping when closed. In your space, I would put the TV in the middle of them and use the LaScalas for sound Getting line level, from the TV or source device or both is all you need downmixed to stereo. I put some small wheels on the bottoms of my LaScalas a few years ago Mids line up to my ears even better, and it's much easier to clean or rearrange them or get to the backs Get smoked Glass tops for the speakers, somehow a lamp or other will be placed on top of the speaker, no plants Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 22, 2020 Author Share Posted September 22, 2020 Thanks! My setup isn't really conducive for glass tops, but nobody is putting stuff on them either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 ` Thad - I would start by adding subtle contrasts to the various sections of the house - -a mix of colors that are pastel and glossy can do wonders to show the high ceilings , the angles , and the wraparound stairway is for me the centerpiece , and the walls can also abound with exciting graphics - -if you have friends who are artists and who can paint , or spray paint , you can ask for their ideas of murals - - the stairs , is an intricate steel structure design that is worth highlighting with colors , and , as you look up , from the 1st floor at an angle it should stand out as a link - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 6:37 PM, Thaddeus Smith said: I'm 38 currently, so I'm hoping stairs won't be a problem for a bit. Goat farmers are good to at least 75 (on stairs that is) 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/21/2020 at 7:04 AM, Chris A said: The real advantage of the AMT-1s over the stock K-400 midrange horns/K-55 drivers is that you don't have to worry about the loss of vertical directivity of the midrange horn/driver like you do with stock La Scalas. So you can put the AMT/La Scalas just about anywhere that you wish and still get an outstanding center phantom image without having to use a lot of absorption around the loudspeakers. The SPUDs can go wherever you need to put them to get good LF coverage at whatever listening position that you choose. Just about any position where the AMT-1s are putting their output toward the center of the room (forward or rear) will work to provide coverage across the room. The only constraint that I see is the bass bin coverage above 200 Hz--that would probably need to be aimed toward the center of the living/listening space. Chris So is it better to have the open loft area to my back, thereby reducing or eliminating rear reflections? Should the listening position be parallel or perpendicular to the angled ceilings? I thought I read a comment from you recently (but cannot locate) indicating the angled ceilings in these types of rooms were an acoustic nightmare. I haven't any grand plans for a dedicated room on the order of what Rudy has put together, but I'd certainly like to know if there's specific things I should avoid or should mitigate in the proposed space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Bubo said: I have had good luck with LaScallas in just about any space 10-15 feet apart they sound great Corners, no corners doesn't matter. On the wall or off of the wall works. Thick carpet in the middle of the room is a plus Absorbent furniture is a plus Book cases with books or curtains at the back of the room for damping. Sound is always better with open windows. Glass is highly reflective, curtains work for damping when closed. In your space, I would put the TV in the middle of them and use the LaScalas for sound Getting line level, from the TV or source device or both is all you need downmixed to stereo. I put some small wheels on the bottoms of my LaScalas a few years ago Mids line up to my ears even better, and it's much easier to clean or rearrange them or get to the backs Get smoked Glass tops for the speakers, somehow a lamp or other will be placed on top of the speaker, no plants Enjoy All good info, however I'm not new to the speakers themselves. Mine are also highly modified and not standard La Scalas. The tech piece is another area that I've got quite sorted, so I'm more focused on the effects of the room itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Thaddeus Smith said: ...I thought I read a comment from you recently (but cannot locate) indicating the angled ceilings in these types of rooms were an acoustic nightmare... They are if you've got loudspeakers having a big vertical coverage angle. All the Heritage models lose their vertical pattern control around 2 kHz (the consequence of the "collapsing polar" or pattern-flip midrange horn). This is why having vaulted or tilting ceilings is an acoustic nightmare with Klipsch Heritage. K-402s and K-510s control their polars vertically, but still have a very large vertical coverage angle, and vaulted ceilings still create some issues. With the stacked AMT-1s, your vertical coverage angle is controlled and much more focused than the K-400/K-55 series of midrange horns, and are even more narrow than the K-402 or K-510 horns. While the pitched ceiling will still give you considerably more reflections back to the listening position, the narrow vertical coverage angle vs. frequency of the stacked AMT-1s will limit the ceiling's effect. Only the horizontal coverage angle (about 90 degrees) will illuminate canted side walls. Below the crossover frequency (nominally 600-700 Hz), the bass bins have a fairly controlled vertical coverage angle, which work to keep excess acoustic energy off canted ceilings. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Smith Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 Aha, I see! Thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted September 23, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 23, 2020 Looks like a nice layout, just to much white for a farm, add some wooden walls or something, it doesn't look country at all. imo And switch out the picture of the Eiffel tower for a goat picture or something. . 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 5:53 PM, Thaddeus Smith said: this loft space will likely be my primary spot for listening and office/den type paraphernalia. That is going to be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Khornukopia said: That is going to be nice. Fully agree, but I would still worry about the stairs as age comes upon you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimer Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 20 hours ago, Thaddeus Smith said: Aha, I see! Thanks for the clarification. If it is shaped like an auditorium, it wont be bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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