tube fanatic Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 In analyzing my personal risk to benefit of taking the “vaccine” I came across this very fascinating, and concerning, information. Has anyone else thought about this given the possible long term, unknown, effects of these fast tracked medications? https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/12/29/595414.htm https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp Maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 16 hours ago, Zen Traveler said: I want to point out that it's things like this and No Mask Mandate that's going to keep the numbers high, A lifting of the Mask Mandate is not the same thing as a No Mask Mandate. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 16 hours ago, Zen Traveler said: Spring Break Spring break will generate a spike in numbers just like it did last year, mask mandate or no mask mandate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Seadog said: A lifting of the Mask Mandate is not the same thing as a No Mask Mandate. What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, CECAA850 said: Spring break will generate a spike in numbers just like it did last year, mask mandate or no mask mandate. Sure. That's another reason I'm confident in my prediction. Fwiw, another problem with the outgoing "mandate" is there was no penalty ( by law) for violating it and that's why numbers rise during holidays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: What's the difference? No mask is just that, no masks anywhere. Lifting the mandate makes masks optional and not mandatory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Pfizer has asked countries to put up sovereign assets such as military bases, federal bank reserves, and embassy buildings as collateral to cover the cost of awards resulting from lawsuits over adverse events, as well as their own negligence, fraud, and malice! This is absurd in my opinion..... https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/pfizer-plays-hardball-in-covid19-vaccine-negotiations-in-latin-america/ Maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, tube fanatic said: Pfizer has asked countries to put up sovereign assets such as military bases, federal bank reserves, and embassy buildings as collateral to cover the cost of awards resulting from lawsuits over adverse events, as well as their own negligence, fraud, and malice! Hmm...I'm not sure what the solution is but Pfizer is a corporation and must protect it's shareholders. Otoh, I wonder what agreements Russia (and China) is making countries who take their vaccine abide by. Dunno. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, tube fanatic said: Pfizer has asked countries to put up sovereign assets such as military bases, federal bank reserves, and embassy buildings as collateral to cover the cost of awards resulting from lawsuits over adverse events, as well as their own negligence, fraud, and malice! This is absurd in my opinion..... https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/pfizer-plays-hardball-in-covid19-vaccine-negotiations-in-latin-america/ Maynard Pfizer has those guarantees against litigation here in the US as do the other vaccine manufacturers. They want protections in other countries to cover their ***(ets). Their actions make you really confident in their product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The Differences Between the Vaccines Matter Yes, all of the COVID-19 vaccines are very good. No, they’re not all the same. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/03/pfizer-moderna-and-johnson-johnson-vaccines-compared/618226/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 7 hours ago, CECAA850 said: Pfizer Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine neutralizes Brazil variant in lab study as experts warn of rapid spread The Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine appears to be highly effective against a more-contagious variant first discovered in Brazil, according to a new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, raising hopes that ongoing vaccination efforts will help curb its spread. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/09/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mungkiman Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Standby List for "leftover" COVID Vaccines: https://hidrb.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 7 hours ago, CECAA850 said: Their actions make you really confident in their product. I really think it is because of the the issue below. If something goes wrong (and it will) the individual countries need to deal with their own situations. In our country we as citizens sign agreements before surgery claiming we won't sue the surgeon (or assume the risk) if something goes wrong but how it's handled in this country is different than in most. Same thing if someone has a bad reaction with any of these drugs. There will be legal recourse if the drug does damage. Insofar as risk of taking any of the drugs for most of us, I trust the testing protocol and I'm sure I'm doing something not as healthy already already so I am willing to take the chance when it's my turn at the vaccine. 8 hours ago, Zen Traveler said: .I'm not sure what the solution is but Pfizer is a corporation and must protect it's shareholders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburnwilly Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just close the science books and open everything else 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted March 10, 2021 Moderators Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 hours ago, Zen Traveler said: There will be legal recourse if the drug does damage. Insofar as risk of taking any of the drugs for most of us, I trust the testing protocol and I'm sure I'm doing something not as healthy already already so I am willing to take the chance when it's my turn at the vaccine. That's generally true, however, with the regular vaccinations that people get, including childhood vaccinations, any clams have to go through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). Travis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Travis In Austin Posted March 10, 2021 Moderators Share Posted March 10, 2021 13 hours ago, CECAA850 said: Pfizer has those guarantees against litigation here in the US as do the other vaccine manufacturers. On most vaccinations they are covered under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). You can't sue in Federal or state court, you have to file a claim in that program, it's more streamlined (but you don't have a jury). There is a fund for claims (paid by excise tax on vaccinations. The program is only for vaccinations that the CDC/FDA has certified as safe for children and pregnant women, and covers all of the normal childhood vaccinations, polio, DpT, etc., etc. I don't believe that any of the Covid-19 vaccinations are in that program yet. So you would be free to file a lawsuit is state or federal court and there is no limit on damages. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tube fanatic Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 23 hours ago, tube fanatic said: In analyzing my personal risk to benefit of taking the “vaccine” I came across this very fascinating, and concerning, information. Has anyone else thought about this given the possible long term, unknown, effects of these fast tracked medications? https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/12/29/595414.htm https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp Maynard Travis, my understanding is that a person can not file a lawsuit at the state or federal level and must go through the CICP which has severe caps on payouts, even for death. The likelihood of collecting in that program is almost zero. Please correct me if I am wrong. Maynard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted March 10, 2021 Author Share Posted March 10, 2021 2 hours ago, dwilawyer said: On most vaccinations they are covered under the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). You can't sue in Federal or state court, you have to file a claim in that program, it's more streamlined (but you don't have a jury). There is a fund for claims (paid by excise tax on vaccinations. The program is only for vaccinations that the CDC/FDA has certified as safe for children and pregnant women, and covers all of the normal childhood vaccinations, polio, DpT, etc., etc. I don't believe that any of the Covid-19 vaccinations are in that program yet. So you would be free to file a lawsuit is state or federal court and there is no limit on damages. Ill need to do some digging but I thought they were exempt from law suits for some reason as an incentive to help speed the development process. I may be misremembering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizRotus Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I don’t claim to know the specifics of this situation, but under similar conditions it’s common to be legally exempted from “ordinary negligence,” but not “gross negligence.” It is VERY unusual for the law to insulate an entity from negligence so flagrant as to be tantamount to intentional. In application, it’s about as clear as what constitutes a flagrant foul in basketball, and then whether it’s a flagrant 1, flagrant 2 or flagrant 1.5. When humans are involved there will be mistakes in the execution and the analysis. Extreme cases are clear. For example, a worker urinates into a batch of vaccine, the supervisors are aware, but ship it out anyway. There would be serious liability. At the other extreme, a batch gets cooked for ten seconds too long, no one notices, but the effectiveness is compromised and it’s shipped out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Wow--this 300+ page thread is exactly a year old! 😱 Kudos to the moderators for keeping it open. Going back and reading the first few pages made me realize how AMAZING of a time-capsule it is of the cascading events that we all just went through this last trip around the Sun. 👽 Hope everyone is well and thank you for your participation in this thread!👨🎓 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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