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---You're very right  , we had no say ,  we'd end up in the stockade under MP  Escort , if we refused , but today  things have changed --
Wow...now you have a right to choose in the military!

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1 minute ago, RandyH000 said:
6 minutes ago, NBPK402 said:

Interesting...when I was in the USAF... They said they you until you seperate from the military.
 

---You're very right  , we had no say ,  we'd end up in the stockade under MP  Escort , if we refused , but today  things have changed --

I can't imagine it won't be compulsory because the military can't afford an outbreak (again). 

 

2 minutes ago, NBPK402 said:

if you get Phizer this year and n3xt year they say you need a booster and Pfizer is not available for you...do you get Moderna?

No but you may have found the answer. They are waiting to get a standard policy on what shot to get. 

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4 hours ago, jimjimbo said:

So you're saying that those of us who have had or are getting vaccines are lemmings?  No doubt you jumped off the bridge last fall.   Too bad.

Not going to have personal banter here, if you are hitting reply and have "you" in your response you had better check it at least 3x.

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5 minutes ago, NBPK402 said:

Now here is a question... if you get Phizer this year and next year they say you need a booster and Pfizer is not available for you...do you get Moderna? Possible problems with using a different vaccine?

 

I think once you get the Pfizer , there are obliged to give you the 3rd shot based on your vaccination record --

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3 hours ago, CECAA850 said:

Hadnt jumped yet like you and everyone else.  What happened last fall?

 

I hope you have no issues with your shot(s).

He's referring to the election obviously.

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4 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

I can't imagine it won't be compulsory because the military can't afford an outbreak (again). 

This was discussed last week, DoD says it's voluntary until full FDA approval, at which time they will re-evaluate.

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8 minutes ago, NBPK402 said:

Wow...now you have a right to choose in the military!

Until there is full approval.

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1 hour ago, NBPK402 said:

Wow...now you have a right to choose in the military!
 

EDIT   ---Today's Military have temporary Rights to abstain from  Covid  19  Vaccines

- we never went into Combat unless we were fully vaccinated ,  our Medical Officers would not sign off -

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4 hours ago, tube fanatic said:


Do a search and you will find many highly credentialed docs and scientists who disagree with the mainstream view.  Unfortunately, they have been branded as “quacks” and the self appointed social media arbiters have declared their work as being unfit for dissemination to the public.  You know as well as I that only certain viewpoints are being permitted.

 

Maynard

As I said before, you or anyone else can post or link to any study, whether it's mainstream, contrary or otherwise.

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BTW, watched Dr. Fauci interview.

He said it is conceivable on boosters.

Thanks!

Conceivable is not a foregone conclusion.

Once again, we shall see.

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33 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:

Today's Military have temporary Rights to abstain from Vaccines

- we never went into Combat unless we were fully vaccinated ,  our Medical Officers would not sign off -

Since when? I know it is for Covid-19 because it's under a emergency use authorization, but I think all of the standard ones are all required for basic or officer training. It is totally voluntary, and they are told it is voluntary. 

 

For the usual vaccinations, they are not voluntary, but there has always been a medical or administrative exemption. For example, if you had an allergic reaction to a previous vaccine they have to review that carefully and extensively. I remember being asked if any previous reactions, and if I was allergic to certain things like eggs, etc. . If you had a previous reaction or relevant algery, you were sent to specialist and evaluated.

 

On Admin/Religious Exemptions, for that you had to state religious grounds, that got you an audience with the base commander and then a meeting with medical staff. 

 

Children who use DoD sponsored schools or day care are required to be immunized unless based on valid religious grounds or medically contraindicated. 

 

If a vaccine was declared "mandatory" for a field of operation (I don't think there are many currently) the only exemption is medical. If you refuse, the commander has to advise you orally and in writing that if you refuse they can force you to get it. After the warning and a refusal they would probably prosecute you for willful failure to follow a legal order under the UCMJ.

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32 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:

 I know it is for Covid-19

Travis  , You are correct , by vaccines , I meant  -the various Covid 19 vaccines -I edited my initial reply to clarify -Tx

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1 hour ago, dwilawyer said:

This was discussed last week, DoD says it's voluntary until full FDA approval, at which time they will re-evaluate.

I remember that.

1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said:
1 hour ago, NBPK402 said:

if you get Phizer this year and n3xt year they say you need a booster and Pfizer is not available for you...do you get Moderna?

No but you may have found the answer. They are waiting to get a standard policy on what shot to get. 

Since the vaccines aren't mix-n-match my guess is they are going to settle on one vaccine once approved by FDA.

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2 hours ago, dwilawyer said:

He's referring to the election obviously.

You think so? Actually I was referencing the end of daylight savings time.

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10 hours ago, dwilawyer said:

He's referring to the election obviously.

I should have known.

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1 minute ago, CECAA850 said:

I should have known.

Good morning coffee?

Have a great week!

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1 hour ago, billybob said:

Good morning coffee?

Have a great week!

Had my coffee.  Should be back on my game.  You have a good week too.

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18 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:

Otoh, the vaccines have been shown to be safe in the tests conducted which do take long-term risk factors into consideration.

 

There's absolutely no data available to support that notion or claim. If you have some, please submit it. No clinical trial to date on these vaccines, which have been in use in humans for less than a year, can predict what the long term effects or risk factors could be. I'm not saying that there will be higher incidence of this or that with vaccinated v.s. un-vaccinated individuals, but the reality is that any potential long term effects are unknown at this time.

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11 minutes ago, Sam S. said:

 

There's absolutely no data available to support that notion or claim. If you have some, please submit it. No clinical trial to date on these vaccines, which have been in use in humans for less than a year, can predict what the long term effects or risk factors could be. I'm not saying that there will be higher incidence of this or that with vaccinated v.s. un-vaccinated individuals, but the reality is that any potential long term effects are unknown at this time.

...Which is just 1 of the many points that will keep us from being a lab rat....NO WAY for us. 

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18 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:

It seems we are back to the Safety vs Advocacy situation in regards to the vaccine and I wonder who the most prominent expert/citizen who isn't getting the vaccine is?   Former POTUSAs, leading scientists, business and societal leaders, etc seem to be in agreement that it's the thing to do. {EDIT: I keep bringing this up because although some are reluctant here, there doesn't seem to be ANYONE in the public sphere that has credibility saying the vaccine is worse than getting Covid-19}

Aside from the obvious response of whether or not someone should make a health decision based on what "POTUSAs, leading scientists [not sure what qualifies as "leading", I'm sure someone gets to decide who is and isn't based on their conclusion] business and societal leaders, etc", there are numerous examples of individuals in these groups that have expressed doubts or concerns about the vaccines. Some of it is suppressed in the media because it's off message (vaccine good, you take, you don't take you conspiracy theorist nutjob). Others, widely reported.

 

Healthcare workers

Politicians

 

The debate or decision isn't simply "COVID v.s. Vaccine", you are making the vaccine decision based on the risk of COVID and other factors, which might include your age, health, pre-existing conditions, etc. Sort of like Russian Roulette, dangerous? Yes. Harmful? Maybe not - only in 20 some % of people that play it. Your argument (at least this one) is a classic "appeal to authority" (logically fallacious).

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