Bigfootexpert Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, jjptkd said: No they are both tweeters 2 options available the first pic is the de-10 and the second, which I recommend, is the de-120 with the smaller but more powerful neodymium magnet. Perfect, It now makes sense. I want to make sure I can get all the hardware first before I pull the trigger on everything. Home Depot has Birch Ply with my name on it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bigfootexpert said: I can deal with $365. However on his web page it states two different drivers for the Mids: Atlas PD-5VH and K-55M driver made by ElectroVoice https://critesspeakers.com/klipsch_midrange.html You have to look in the "price for other stuff" link for the A55-g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfootexpert Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, jjptkd said: You have to look in the "price for other stuff" link for the A55-g Thank you Sir! I must be Blind 😁😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfootexpert Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 I just found the DE120-8 tweeters for $75ea. are these the same? I just need to find tom horns for them. https://www.parts-express.com/bc-de120-1-neodymium-mylar-compression-driver-8-ohm-2-3-bolt--294-5809 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, Bigfootexpert said: I just found the DE120-8 tweeters for $75ea. are these the same? I just need to find tom horns for them. https://www.parts-express.com/bc-de120-1-neodymium-mylar-compression-driver-8-ohm-2-3-bolt--294-5809 If you're handy with a dremel toool there is a cheaper option "DPHL" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfootexpert Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Cool, I'm definitely going the DPHL route, I just ordered 4ea. 12" CIARA woofers, Ebay Mid/tweeter Horns and the DE120-8 Tweeters. Now I just need the mid Drivers and Crossovers I'm +$800 into it now. there is no turning Back 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bigfootexpert said: Cool, I'm definitely going the DPHL route, I just ordered 4ea. 12" CIARA woofers, Ebay Mid/tweeter Horns and the DE120-8 Tweeters. Now I just need the mid Drivers and Crossovers I'm +$800 into it now. there is no turning Back Nice! Dont forget the rubber mid horn gaskets from crites when you order the drivers and crossovers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfootexpert Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, jjptkd said: Nice! Dont forget the rubber mid horn gaskets from crites when you order the drivers and crossovers Will Do! Now I just need Gaskets, Mid Drivers and Crossovers, Cant Wait! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Bigfootexpert said: Will Do! Now I just need Gaskets, Mid Drivers and Crossovers, Cant Wait! Dont forget terminal connectors and port tubes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfootexpert Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 Just now, jjptkd said: Dont forget terminal connectors and port tubes Yes, I' will have to do some math, get dimensions and start on the cabinets. As soon as i do, I will probably start a build thread. Does anyone know the material thickness of the OEM Boxes being used? I most likely will use 3/4" MDF but will have to compensate if the OEM thickness is 5/8 or 1/2" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 40 minutes ago, Bigfootexpert said: Does anyone know the material thickness of the OEM Boxes being used? I most likely will use 3/4" MDF but will have to compensate if the OEM thickness is 5/8 or 1/2" I believe they are 5/8's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfootexpert Posted November 3, 2020 Author Share Posted November 3, 2020 So I have been in contact with the Crites, very helpful folks by the way! I basically am sticking with the CIARA Woofers but will be using the C-600 Cast Alum. Horns with M-55G Mids, and their CT120 Tweeter with horns and crossovers of course. They all-ready warned me that they can't guarantee anything since they are unfamiliar with the specs of my woofers but we shall see. 🤞 BTW The C-600 Horns and Mids are the same as Cornwall's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iteachstem Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Good luck with your build. If you're interested, I have 3 of the OEM KLF-30 ports...all you would need to do is find a fourth. On 10/31/2020 at 12:50 PM, jjptkd said: Does anyone know the material thickness of the OEM Boxes being used? The front is... according to my caliper... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shovelnose Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I don't know about the Ciair woofers but there has been a lot of discussion about the KLF 30 cabinets being under sized for the stock woofers as Klipsch was trying to keep the size of the 30's reasonable. You may want to look at bigger cabinets than the stock ones depending on the Ciair specs. Just a thought. Good luck with the build! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmckean44 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) On 12/11/2020 at 4:15 PM, shovelnose said: I don't know about the Ciair woofers but there has been a lot of discussion about the KLF 30 cabinets being under sized for the stock woofers as Klipsch was trying to keep the size of the 30's reasonable. You may want to look at bigger cabinets than the stock ones depending on the Ciair specs. Just a thought. Good luck with the build! It would be cool to build a pair that adds enough height to be front ported, it would make these speakers a lot easier to place. My KLF20s and KLF30s always wanted to be closer to the wall than their rear ports would allow. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished results and possibly the measurements from the OP. I've always liked the looks of the KLF towers and I think developing an upgraded version is a worthwhile project. Edited December 21, 2020 by dmckean44 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 hours ago, dmckean44 said: It would be cool to build a pair that adds enough height to be front ported, it would make these speakers a lot easier to place. My KLF20s and KLF30s always wanted to be closer to the wall than their rear ports would allow. I'm looking forward to seeing the finished results and possibly the measurements from the OP. I've always liked the looks of the KLF towers and I think developing an upgraded version is a worthwhile project. I removed both baffles cut the vents off the back and then the same amount of the front baffle switched the short panel sections added a spacer the same thickness as the kerf of the saw blade then used a little paint and you cannot tell they are not stock. I did add a brace just above the seam between the two sections so the baffle is rock solid. (braces also added between the woofer and the mid) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanhuth Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I put this in another thread, but got no response, so I thought I'd try here. If this is a violation of protocol, I apologize (total newbie). Please let me know and I won't do it again: I have heard that the KLF-20 is regarded to have better bass than the KLF-30 because the enclosure on the KLF-30 is technically too small for the K31 woofers. I believe the VAS of the original K-31 is 386 liters, whereas the VAS for the Ciare HW321 is only 205 liters. Wouldn’t that be an improvement? Both speakers have the exact same impedance (Re): 5.7 ohms, and sensitivity 93dB. The major differences seem to be Fs of 19hz for the K31 vs 27hz for the Ciare, and Qts of 0.185 (K-31) vs 0.33 (Ciare HW321). What does that tell us about using the Ciare HW321 as a replacement for the K31 in the KLF-30? Edited yesterday at 02:02 PM by alanhuth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I seriously do not believe the KLF cabinet is undersized. I know the K31 does not have a VAS of 386 liters. I am not sure where this info is coming from. The price of the Ciare is pretty expensive BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 hour ago, alanhuth said: I put this in another thread, but got no response, so I thought I'd try here. If this is a violation of protocol, I apologize (total newbie). Please let me know and I won't do it again: I have heard that the KLF-20 is regarded to have better bass than the KLF-30 because the enclosure on the KLF-30 is technically too small for the K31 woofers. I believe the VAS of the original K-31 is 386 liters, whereas the VAS for the Ciare HW321 is only 205 liters. Wouldn’t that be an improvement? Both speakers have the exact same impedance (Re): 5.7 ohms, and sensitivity 93dB. The major differences seem to be Fs of 19hz for the K31 vs 27hz for the Ciare, and Qts of 0.185 (K-31) vs 0.33 (Ciare HW321). What does that tell us about using the Ciare HW321 as a replacement for the K31 in the KLF-30? Edited yesterday at 02:02 PM by alanhuth Welcome to the forum! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanhuth Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) Thanks, billybob. PrestonTom, I don’t know where I got this first one, but here are the K31 specs I saved. The second one came from thread you started back in 2007. One said 360 liters, the other 384. In either case, that’s a lot bigger than 205 for the Ciare. Both say the VAS is around 360 liters. Does VAS change based on whether it’s for Jubilee or KLF-30? Edited February 17, 2021 by alanhuth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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