slovell Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I've got my KLF-20s toed in but I'm wondering if I should have them straight ahead? I recently installed the LMAHL tweeters and they brightened them up quite a bit. Would pointing them straight ahead lessen some of the brightness and shoutiness of the horns? I already have Bob's crossovers with his bandpass for the titanium mid that I put in them. I also wonder if the LMAHL tweeter is a mismatch for the crossover? They sound really good with movies but with music they're more shouty and bright than they were before I put the LMAHLs in. Anyone have any thoughts, opinions, or advice? Thanks, Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Definitely try less toe. Although, if either of your speakers are close to side walls it'll increase the reflection of sound from them which isn't good either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 6 hours ago, slovell said: I've got my KLF-20s toed in but I'm wondering if I should have them straight ahead? I recently installed the LMAHL tweeters and they brightened them up quite a bit. Would pointing them straight ahead lessen some of the brightness and shoutiness of the horns? I already have Bob's crossovers with his bandpass for the titanium mid that I put in them. I also wonder if the LMAHL tweeter is a mismatch for the crossover? They sound really good with movies but with music they're more shouty and bright than they were before I put the LMAHLs in. Anyone have any thoughts, opinions, or advice? Thanks, Sam for the great majority speaker off axis response is terrible. If you saw the off axis response of your loudspeaker and was told that this was how the speaker sounded you would not be interested in buying the speaker yet this is how most choose to set up their loudspeakers. Beats me. I choose to use an equilateral triangle set up and achieve very good results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovell Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 Maybe I should try toeing them in a bit more. The way they are now the triangle would come to a point 2 feet behind my listening position. Also, due to the shape of my room the right speaker is about 1.5 feet from the side wall and the left is about 6 feet from the other side wall. They're both 18 inches out from the wall behind them. It's not a room that's very good for stereo, but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I generally find with an equilateral triangle set up that the speakers end up pointing somewhere between my shoulders and my head. If your driver baffle layout is not symmetrical you can also experiment with tweeters to the inside or to the outside. I also set up my stems with the centre of the did driver centred on my seated ear height (this usually is around 38" - 41" up off the floor). I hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred jones Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Quote I've got my KLF-20s toed in but I'm wondering if I should have them straight ahead? that is something you will have to try on your own since you are the one that hears them. some speakers benefit from toe in and some dont......and you have to make small adjustments, listen and maybe leave it that way for a day or two and then try again. how are the room treatments ? if no room treatments, i would seriously consider adding some as that can help a lot. also have to look at equipment.....and cables as that will have an effect on the sound as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Being that your klf-20s are soooo bright, is the room a very hard one? Void of things like carpet & soft surface furniture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 toe... your mileage may vary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovell Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Alexander said: Being that your klf-20s are soooo bright, is the room a very hard one? Void of things like carpet & soft surface furniture? No, floor is carpeted, soft furniture, framed pictures on the walls, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovell Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 hours ago, fred jones said: that is something you will have to try on your own since you are the one that hears them. some speakers benefit from toe in and some dont......and you have to make small adjustments, listen and maybe leave it that way for a day or two and then try again. how are the room treatments ? if no room treatments, i would seriously consider adding some as that can help a lot. also have to look at equipment.....and cables as that will have an effect on the sound as well. Dynaco ST70 amp, all Jolida preamp, phono pre, and CD player. BJC cables. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred jones Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 " BJC cables." i would change those as those arent helping much. get a cable that has a warmer sound to it. that is just me ....but its your system. could always try different tubes in the preamp also. room treatments ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovell Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 I'm going to build a couple of Mogami 2549 interconnects this week and see if they make a difference. I'm presently breaking in some 12AX7 and 12AT7 Raytheon USA black plates in the preamp. They sound mellower so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 hours ago, fred jones said: " BJC cables." i would change those as those arent helping much. get a cable that has a warmer sound to it. Really? Like from putting it in an oven before you use them? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1290 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Running BJC from my PrimaLuna into my modded LS and don't have any regrets at all. Sounds great! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovell Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 I still want to try a couple of Mogamis. My RCA plugs will be here tomorrow, should have them built Tuesday. I've got all BJC in my system and I'm very happy with them but I'll try the Mogamis just to see what they'll do. Can't hurt anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyErnie Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Try it all, parallel, crossed behind you, at your head, in front... That's the fun with this hobby; small changes may have big effects. CF2's in my house have a 'head in a vice' tiny sweet spot when they're parallel/straight ahead. I have mine toed-in so they cover almost the whole sofa area and am finding the sound to be very even everywhere. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred jones Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Quote Really? Like from putting it in an oven before you use them? no...... a cable from synergistic research, Purist Audio, Acoustic Zen would give you a better / warmer sound than the bjc would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred jones Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Quote framed pictures on the walls, which pictures on the wall are reflective and can cause issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I let my LMAHL play for a few days, without listening to them. Since then, I have only enjoyed their sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slovell Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 23 hours ago, wuzzzer said: Really? Like from putting it in an oven before you use them? Do they taste like lasagna after they're baked for three hours? 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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