Moose1963 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 How do I bypass the internal passive crossover on a pair of Klipsch 6000F speakers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimjimbo Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Moose1963 said: How do I bypass the internal passive crossover on a pair of Klipsch 6000F speakers? Why do you want to do this, and what is your plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Hi Jimjimbo, I'm not sure I'm responding to you correctly so I hope you get this. My plan is to disable the built-in passive crossover in the Klipsch and go with an external active crossover. I have everything set up for bi amping. Twin, identical amps etc. I tried firing it up and it sounds really muddy. I'm assuming I have some bass, balance and treble adjustments to make. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 OK, I am not a bi amp or active crossover guy, so hoping that others will chime in with that experience and advice. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 OK Jimjimbo thanks. Any idea why I would be getting muddy sound? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 56 minutes ago, Moose1963 said: I tried firing it up and it sounds really muddy. are you using an active crossover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Hi RandyH000, Yes, I am going to be using an active crossover. It's my understanding that I need to disable the internal speaker passive crossover in order to do this. From there, I just need to tweek the active crossover, right? Right now it sounds muddy as hell! Thanks bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 correct , without the actual DSP hooked up and dialed in , the frequencies are off , without the passive network configuration - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 OK, great RandyH000, thanks. But I still have to disable the internal passive crossover on my Klipsch 6000Fs, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Moose1963 said: OK, great RandyH000, thanks. But I still have to disable the internal passive crossover on my Klipsch 6000Fs, right? it is best to first unsolder the current wiring of the passive system from the main drivers ---do not in any way , cut wiring from the passive system - 2) terminate each end of a wire that is unsoldered with electrical tape -once the system is removed , it can go back in the same way it came out - if need be - 3) re-wire the drivers - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Wait, I think you already said that Randy. ie: "without the passive crossover network". I have to disable the Klipsch crossovers. Just confirm and I'm good. Thanks very much for helping me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 OK, got it. I'll give it a shot today. Thank you and have a great day. You have a fighter jet on your community picture, if you served, thanks very much for your service! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Moose1963 said: ...My plan is to disable the built-in passive crossover in the Klipsch and go with an external active crossover. I have everything set up for bi amping. Twin, identical amps etc. I tried firing it up and it sounds really muddy. I'm assuming I have some bass, balance and treble adjustments to make. Thank you! "Muddy" or "boomy" usually means that they have way too much output in the 60-200 Hz range. If you are using a DSP crossover (there are also analog active crossovers -- that generally do not have EQ capabilities, so I have to ask what you're using), you can either use the graphic EQ filters internally to reduce the 60-200 band just until it doesn't sound muddy. I generally recommend a UMIK-1 (from miniDSP) with a microphone stand...and running Room EQ Wizard (freely downloaded from here) so you can actually see what you need to EQ...and when you're "done EQing". 💡 Chris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 I guess that's the Space Shuttle actually Randy. Hey, another question for you guys. With a bi amp setup, does my powered subwoofer's internal passive crossover also need to be disconnected just like the internal passive crossover in the main speakers? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptorman Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 23 hours ago, Moose1963 said: Hi Jimjimbo, I'm not sure I'm responding to you correctly so I hope you get this. My plan is to disable the built-in passive crossover in the Klipsch and go with an external active crossover. I have everything set up for bi amping. Twin, identical amps etc. I tried firing it up and it sounds really muddy. I'm assuming I have some bass, balance and treble adjustments to make. Thank you! Did you try to bi-amp your speakers already? Is your speaker's binding posts still connected? I think we need more info, and I definitely wouldn't start breaking open your speakers yet. 8 minutes ago, Moose1963 said: I guess that's the Space Shuttle actually Randy. Hey, another question for you guys. With a bi amp setup, does my powered subwoofer's internal passive crossover also need to be disconnected just like the internal passive crossover in the main speakers? Thanks! The sub has nothing to do with your bi-amping of the main speakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 Thanks Ceptorman, ..pretty regal name there... Expand, if you would. The sub has its own passive crossover, right? Does that stay untouched? Where do I plug the sub in, the preamp or directly into the external active crossover? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose1963 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 Ceptorman, you there? Can you clear this up for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Moose1963 said: Hey, another question for you guys. With a bi amp setup, does my powered subwoofer's internal passive crossover also need to be disconnected just like the internal passive crossover in the main speakers? Thanks! No, its completely separate and should be hooked up directly to your preamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanksjim1 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 you may find some great info in the "Active Bi-Amping/Tri-Amping FAQ" pinned near the top of this Technical/Modifications Forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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