Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted August 29, 2021 Klipsch Employees Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, SWL said: Ok Randy, you're obviously bothered by this so I'll tell you about a secret I've been keeping..... A couple-few years ago after fixing up my speakers, PWK came to me in a dream one night. He said "Son, I see that you and others have changed the components in your speakers".......and then he said, "What's up with that?" Then I said to him, "Sir, forgive me.....I have strayed but mean no harm". Then I went on to explain. "It's like this, Sir. My poorly made speakers were literally falling apart at the seems. The cheaply made woofers were blown with no replacements to purchase from Klipsch. The crossovers were faulty after only eight years of use. The tweeter diaphragms sucked from the beginning. The mid drivers were fine but I was on a roll so I changed them anyway. (After all how could I not after all of John Allen's extensive research)" Then Paul said "Do they still sound like Klipsch?" Then I said "Yes father.....only better". Paul looked me square in the eye and said he was gonna kick my arse. Then he lightened up and said "Ok, ok......I'll let it slide since the crossover values are still the same and you had good intentions". Then he told me I was a handsome young man and told me to rock out and tell RandyH to chill out. That's how it went down. Exactly. Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk That’s not the Paul klipsch I knew..... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted August 29, 2021 Klipsch Employees Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, VDS said: Don’t forget that once you mod them, never refer to them as Klipsch Yep 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWL Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 That’s not the Paul klipsch I knew.....He changed.......and was listening to some Bose earbuds at the time.Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MicroMara Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, VDS said: Don’t forget that once you mod them, never refer to them as Klipsch If I buy a Mercedes or a BMW and have the car tuned at AMG or Alpina to improve the performance it is still a Mercedes or BMW. That's exactly how I see it for the global brand Klipsch. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDS Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, MicroMara said: If I buy a Mercedes or a BMW and have the car tuned at AMG or Alpina to improve the performance it is still a Mercedes or BMW. That's exactly how I see it for the global brand Klipsch. Not everyone agrees (as I’ve been reminded), but, we’re just joking around here, so... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicroMara Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, VDS said: Not everyone agrees (as I’ve been reminded), but, we’re just joking around here, so... I know ...we don't want to put everything on the gold scale and just, as you say, have a little fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWL Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Not everyone agrees (as I’ve been reminded), but, we’re just joking around here, so...[emoji106]Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woofers and Tweeters Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, VDS said: Don’t forget that once you mod them, never refer to them as Klipsch If someone scores some LaScala that Mr. Klipsch built as vertical, horizontal, with braces or not, or as the new ones are with a totally different every-freaking-thing.... they are still called LaScala. So, even if all that you do is change a couple of caps, you can call them whatever you want. Call them VDS, Bonehead or Frankenstein's monster... they are still LaScala. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Chief bonehead Posted August 30, 2021 Klipsch Employees Share Posted August 30, 2021 “That MR KLIPSCH built”........ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezin' Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Chris A said: Below about 50-60 Hz, if the output of the subwoofer is very clean, (i.e., it has very low harmonic distortion), I've found that subwoofer localization in-room is virtually impossible. If you can hear a subwoofer's location while it is playing below ~60 Hz, what you're probably listening to its distortion, not the signal being fed to it. When I compare the output of my TH subs (DIY "SPUDs") in their positions behind the Jubs, they are basically impossible to locate below their 40 Hz low pass crossover frequency, i.e., I have to turn each one on and measure them separately to sense that each is playing as it should. What this placement does is allow the extra absorption around the Jubilees and subwoofers to absorb the higher frequency harmonics--because that material just isn't effective below ~100 Hz, so that absorption material really can't absorb the prime output that is actually sought below 100 Hz. This is quite a different experience than those I've had with direct radiating subwoofers. This is usually a very unpopular subject, especially among those that promote direct radiating subwoofers over well designed horn-loaded subwoofers. This is the same kind of idea that Earl Geddes uses in his Summa series models (i.e., whose horns that he filled with open-cell foam) to attenuate the off-axis higher order modes (HOMs). Chris Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave A Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Fido said: Adding dynamat to the woofer baskets and the inside and outside of your horns helps but massive well placed bracing in every heritage cabinet and then placing them on high rise stands are required to even listen without fatigue. Don't forget paver blocks on top of the cabinet. An advocate of that dwelled here for a period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 This place is gonna LOVE me when I post on my home theater that's in the works..... I learned it all right here. 😇 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjptkd Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 17 hours ago, SWL said: My poorly made speakers were literally falling apart at the seems. The cheaply made woofers were blown with no replacements to purchase from Klipsch. The crossovers were faulty after only eight years of use. The tweeter diaphragms sucked from the beginning. The mid drivers were fine but I was on a roll so I changed them anyway. (After all how could I not after all of John Allen's extensive research)" I know this was meant to be tongue in cheek but you made some very good points / observations IMO. I have no doubt that your modified speakers (call them what you will) sound significantly better than stock. It is amazing to me how good stock KLF-30's sound though considering how cheap they were made with subpar parts and cabinets, really think Klipsch pushed the cost cutting thing a bit to the extreme on this line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I'm thinking that the forums could go away quite easily, and it could be blamed on software, bad drives, etc. Whether Klipsch pulled the plug or not, we would ALL be losers in that regard. I've been on here 20 years, and I have learned a lot, grown a lot, hopefully helped a bunch of people. I would hate to see it all go away. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWL Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 It is amazing to me how good stock KLF-30's sound though considering how cheap they were made Yeah, that's why I bought them in the first place over 12 years ago. The problem is that when people give them negative reviews a big reason is that something in the speaker is screwed up be it the cabs falling apart leaking away bass making them sound lean and shrill. Or the crossovers malfunctioning. Or this or that or the other thing.If they're right, they are a very good performing speaker if not excellent. I just wanted them to work because I knew what they were capable of if working properly. The same could be said for other lines of Klipsch as well.Sent from my SM-G991U using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 22 hours ago, Marvel said: I'm thinking that the forums could go away quite easily, and it could be blamed on software, bad drives, etc. Whether Klipsch pulled the plug or not, we would ALL be losers in that regard. Doesn't take much for people to get butt hurt these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezin' Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 41 minutes ago, CECAA850 said: Doesn't take much for people to get butt hurt these days. No reason to wander around proving that. Refusing to tolerate brutish behavior is sensible. If you return the favor you're branded as (what does this mean exactly?) butt hurt. So what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Those Legend in veneer look really nice. Better yet in Piano Black for me. A pair saw here of Heresy look really nice also. Guess they put a ploy coat on them too. Look like the abyss on monolith. 2001 comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, billybob said: Piano Black for me. wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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