gsgleason Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Oiled Walnut veneer. Several edges and corners have damage with missing veneer as well as missing the underlying structure. End goal is to remove the old finish, sand, and do something more neutral that won't yellow, like a water-based satin poly over either an oil rub to bring out the grain/dimension, or seal with shellac then poly, or maybe just poly on the raw wood. My first thought was to clean the wound, cut out the damaged veneer, fill, sand, and replace veneer bits. This seems tedious and difficult. I'd need a thicker veneer than stock so I can sand flush. I have also considered simply cleaning, filling sanding alone, but I'm concerned that the filler will really stand out, especially after being finished. Any advice would be appreciated. Greg. Edited January 6, 2022 by gsgleason Clarification and photos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Some photos would help with helping you. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgleason Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, billybob said: Some photos would help with helping you. Thanks! I prematurely submitted. Photos have been added. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, gsgleason said: I prematurely submitted. Photos have been added. Cool...yes corners may need some bondo or wood putty filler and deep scratches as well before either a duratex black finish. There is some self adhesive wood veneer I understand on the market. Others will hope you out as more hands on than I... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldj09 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Check these guys out and watch a few veneer videos on YouTube https://www.veneersupplies.com/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
314carpenter Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 @gsgleason IMOP your suggestions will be very difficult, will cost a lot of time and money, and unfortunately will not have a satisfactory result. You are correct in attempting to ask around to find a solution that works better for you. I provided you with three strategies that will likely have an improved potential outcome for you. It would be better to make your choice dependent on your level of experience, ambition, budget, and goals. Your level of personal success will mostly be based on your ability to not over/underestimate those things. First choice Difficulty 2 / Cost 10/ Rewarding 6 1A) Sell speakers, run, buy new speakers, enjoy Second choice Difficulty 4 / Cost 2/ Rewarding 2 1B)Bondo speakers, wood filler, grain filler, black lacquer, enjoy Third choice Difficulty 10/ Cost 6/ Rewarding 10 1)Bondo 2)Sand 80/120 3)Wood Putty 4)Sand 80/120 5)Grain filler 6)Sand 80/120 7)Veneer adhesive 8)Veneer all sides of both speakers with wood species of choice 9)Wood conditioner 10)Water or alcohol based Dye 11)Sand 240 12)Non-Wax shellac 13)Sand 360 14)Water based Stain 15)Sand 360 16A)Speakers kept are in a room full of windows: 3 coats Epifanes Marine Varnish for maximum UV protection 16B)Speakers are not in direct sunlight: 3 coats Spray Lacquer 17)After full cure: hand rub with a brown paper bag 18)Send pics so we can all enjoy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgleason Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, 314carpenter said: @gsgleason IMOP your suggestions will be very difficult, will cost a lot of time and money, and unfortunately will not have a satisfactory result. You are correct in attempting to ask around to find a solution that works better for you. I provided you with three strategies that will likely have an improved potential outcome for you. It would be better to make your choice dependent on your level of experience, ambition, budget, and goals. Your level of personal success will mostly be based on your ability to not over/underestimate those things. First choice Difficulty 2 / Cost 10/ Rewarding 6 1A) Sell speakers, run, buy new speakers, enjoy Second choice Difficulty 4 / Cost 2/ Rewarding 2 1B)Bondo speakers, wood filler, grain filler, black lacquer, enjoy Third choice Difficulty 10/ Cost 6/ Rewarding 10 1)Bondo 2)Sand 80/120 3)Wood Putty 4)Sand 80/120 5)Grain filler 6)Sand 80/120 7)Veneer adhesive 8)Veneer all sides of both speakers with wood species of choice 9)Wood conditioner 10)Water or alcohol based Dye 11)Sand 240 12)Non-Wax shellac 13)Sand 360 14)Water based Stain 15)Sand 360 16A)Speakers kept are in a room full of windows: 3 coats Epifanes Marine Varnish for maximum UV protection 16B)Speakers are not in direct sunlight: 3 coats Spray Lacquer 17)After full cure: hand rub with a brown paper bag 18)Send pics so we can all enjoy So basically level the surface and re-veneer over the whole thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPower Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 What I might suggest is to buy some 1/2in Baltic Birch and laminate to the top, bottom and sides with PL and screws. Once you route the corners and edges with a flush trim bit, sand all these edges and fill the screw holes and sand you can then veneer. I like using a paper back veneer of your choice and Heat-Lock glue. As Michael said, your source for the veneer, glue, tools, and tutorials is: https://www.veneersupplies.com I have gone this route a couple of time with some very beat up cabinets, See this link for how these rough Peavey bass bins came back to life. https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649648769-klipsch-peavey-jub-peavey/ Your Corns will look great and sound better with the cabinets being 1.25in thick vs. .75in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 hours ago, gsgleason said: So basically level the surface and re-veneer over the whole thing? I would not reveneer but rather slap on pre-veneered wood panels , save yourself the trouble of re-veneering when a thicker cab is only 1 operation after you sand and level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 54 minutes ago, RandyH said: I would not reveneer but rather do what @HPower recommends , slap on pre-veneered wood panels , save your self the trouble of re-veneering when a thicker cab is only 1 operation after you sand and level That’s not what he said to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimjimbo Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Invidiosulus said: That’s not what he said to do. Correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 @gsgleason you can send the cabs to a woodworker to slap on 1/8. --1/4 inch pre-veneered wood panels with the wood finish of your choice if that is something you are not comfortable with , the reason to use pre-veneered panels is to have smoothing panels to cover the damaged panels of the cabinet , and avoid the re-veneering process , plus the thicker cab will look brand new and be straight as an arrow . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
314carpenter Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Pre-veneered wood panels have obvious advantages and disadvantages. Plated in sheets of 24K gold? No, but only because it wouldn't sound better? Consideration will likely come down to local availability, shipping cost, actual product cost, in addition to your allocation of time and effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, Invidiosulus said: That’s not what he said to do. no , that's what I said 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBPK402 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 How about seeing if you can get a wood shop to make you some 1/8" wood strip in piece wide enough for you speaker?Sent from my SM-G985F using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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No.4 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I would repaint the motorboards if that is needed. Seeing the rest of the cab I would assume that is needed. Fill the deep scratches with Bondo or plastic wood. Build up the corners with Bondo or if they are too far gone glue wood pyramids on and sand square fill as needed. Then add veneer. the veneer is the easy part. You will need an exacto to cut the basic shapes. Contact cement and a cheap chip brush. A $10 veneer trimmer (this is essential) and some 220 grit sandpaper. That’s it. it is much easier than you would think to get a professional looking finish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsgleason Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 Regular bondo for covering with veneer, or the bondo wood filler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No.4 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I have used the dap plastic wood filler under veneer with Great results. The Bondo wood filler is two part like the auto filler. I have not used it but I would like to try it. It probably sets up really hard and quick. I have used regular Bondo under veneer and paint on wood and it has worked well too. Just make sure whatever you use that it is set up and dry before you cover it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grindstone Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 My 2c is to think about the objective(s). Do the min necessary to facilitate Listening to them in case you or your voting spouse may rule unfavorably. That can swing the whole thing fast. If you've already decided to resurrect, sky is the limit and it becomes very personal. Want to make an heirloom for (and even with) offspring, different-choice, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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