Shakeydeal Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Schu said: ^5.1 music will suffer.... It'll suffer even more with mismatched speakers. This is exactly why I say trying to do multi-channel and two channel in the same system is fraught with compromises. One has to decide going in, which is more important and live with whatever they get for the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Shakeydeal said: As close as those jubilees are to each other, I question the need for a center channel at all. Often times the phantom center channel effect is better than any extra speaker. Yeah, since the Jubilee were setup I have questioned the wisdom of doing this center speaker. 🙂 However, I had already purchased the speaker and everything else I need to convert it to two-way with an Axi2050 HF. So, at least I will try it out once Parts Express finally gets the Axi2050 back in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 hours ago, mark1101 said: The Belle tweeter is most definitely attenuated by the bad caps. Replace the caps and the tweeter will come back. You will never be happy trying to match top ends until you get the same top end as your Jubs. Nothing sounds like a 402 horn. Ask me how I know? 🙂 Matching drivers is as important as a matching horn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, Shakeydeal said: It'll suffer even more with mismatched speakers. it can't suffer MORE than lacking the content in totality from that position... that doesn't even make sense. NO ONE is saying that there is not compromise in the set up, but semantics don't help Mike... not that he needs our help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 On 7/20/2022 at 1:13 PM, MMurg said: Luckily, my ex and I are still friends. We just decided we couldn't stand living with each other anymore. 🙂 You are not alone with this life change. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel23 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, MMurg said: So, at least I will try it out once Parts Express finally gets the Axi2050 back in stock. I waited 14 weeks for mine, good luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, grendel23 said: I waited 14 weeks for mine, good luck! Maybe Klipsch is buying lots of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 The Phantom mentioned way earlier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Shakeydeal said: It'll suffer even more with mismatched speakers. This is exactly why I say trying to do multi-channel and two channel in the same system is fraught with compromises. One has to decide going in, which is more important and live with whatever they get for the other. Not when you use 3 identical speakers in front. No compromises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeydeal Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: Not when you use 3 identical speakers in front. No compromises. I'm gonna derail Mike's thread, but I will just say that speaker choice is not the only compromise. We can have that discussion offline or in another thread. But it's probably a waste of time for both of us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, MMurg said: Yeah, since the Jubilee were setup I have questioned the wisdom of doing this center speaker. 🙂 However, I had already purchased the speaker and everything else I need to convert it to two-way with an Axi2050 HF. So, at least I will try it out once Parts Express finally gets the Axi2050 back in stock. When we were in Hope I could not believe how the stereo image came to center. At one point I was in the center of the couch in the front row and David Lee Roth was singing in the center of the room. Clearly. So I agree, with your spacing you may find that for music you may not need a center channel. For movies maybe different? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Khornukopia said: Maybe Klipsch is buying lots of them. They should have had about 150 on order, with maybe 1/2 dozen delivered. They could be doing JIT, though, probably not on purpose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 32 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: They should have had about 150 on order, with maybe 1/2 dozen delivered. They could be doing JIT, though, probably not on purpose! Do you guys really think that Klipsch buys their drivers from Parts Express? Do you think that the manufacturer sends parts to Parts Express and to Klipsch that are pulled from the same bin? Not likely. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, PrestonTom said: Do you guys really think that Klipsch buys their drivers from Parts Express? Do you think that the manufacturer sends parts to Parts Express and to Klipsch that are pulled from the same bin? Not likely. First of all, who is you guys? Since you are quoting me, I have to correct your false assumption conflation of Parts Express vs. Celestion. Not knowing specifically the OEM production volumes and where they are made, shipped from , etc. the Axi2050 Drivers by Celestion do have a Klipsch Label on them, do they not? So, not so obviously, apparently, I was speaking about a relatively large potential order by Klipsch direct from the manufacturer or importer, if that be the case. The 150 Number was a reasonable guess based on having at least 75 for the 75 they will potentially build for the Jubilee 75 PAIRS. In Engineering, EVERYTHING has a date stamp on it. By that logic, I can only comment on information as it evolves with the calendar and presented here in some form by Klipsch Inc. and their employees. As to my Just In Time (JIT) comment, it's based on my Engineering Past in implementing Japanese Quality Engineering and Production Methods we stole from Toyota in the Automotive world with parallels in other industries, which include speaker manufacturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, mark1101 said: For movies maybe different? It's a Dialog Channel for movies and TV. So, having had matched and unmatched speakers implemented in about 7 domiciles in the new millenium, I don't think it's as "compromised" as some people here claim. But not knowing the specifics, I can't argue the point either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, PrestonTom said: Do you guys really think that Klipsch buys their drivers from Parts Express? Do you think that the manufacturer sends parts to Parts Express and to Klipsch that are pulled from the same bin? Not likely. No one said that. A logical thought would be that if Klipsch is buying the available Celestion drivers from the manufacturer, then other Celestion buyers and resellers may need to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeJ1 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, Khornukopia said: No one said that. A logical thought would be that if Klipsch is buying the available Celestion drivers from the manufacturer, then other Celestion buyers and resellers may need to wait. Depending on their production volumes during these times of supplier issues (like magnets), that's likely to be true. I'm currently waiting on 4 woofers made by Eminence, but I'm told it's a magnet supply issue from China holding things up. I don't think Celestion is above those consequences if they get magnets from the same sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, ClaudeJ1 said: I'm currently waiting on 4 woofers made by Eminence, but I'm told it's a magnet supply issue Yes, during the past year I have bought some woofers and compression drivers I did not need at the time, just because they were available then. The electric car industry and others are buying up all the magnet supply they can get their hands on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezin' Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Yep MAN and JIT manufacturing at it's best. One hiccup and it takes years to correct it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 I am wondering the inverse, if the Celestion commitment to klipsch is causing the shortage on Part's express... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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