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babadono Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 4:51 PM, Marvel said: And to be honest, a lot of the loudness wars have subsided. Ok. Can you give me the title of some recent CDs I could purchase that take advantage of the superior dynamic range of the CD format? Or is this all download/streaming titles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KT88 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Well, not telling the truth about what kind of product you are buying or being led to believe it is a different product (analog) than what it is (digital processing sections in the chain) is not forgivable. It is simply fraud so that an exorbitant price can be obtained from the ranks of an analog fan community. If we leave this moral and legal level out of it, then it becomes interesting once again. Various test scenarios are conceivable. If I could wish for it: Two master tapes from which one record each is pressed. In this test, no changes (eq, dynamics etc) should be made on the digital level. It should only be in the way. Would I hear the difference on my record player? In fact, it would be much better if after the DSD loop you recorded back to the same kind of tape and machine in analog and compared that to the original master tape, then no artifacts are added by the vinyl pressing and the turntable. (but maybe it is these artifacts that some people like so much). Another test would be, if MoFi digitizes, that you stay in the digital world and that from the digitized master some consumer format is produced, MQA or DSD audio what you can buy, and then compare it with vinyl. I love records but after the break of the analog chain vinyl would be absolutely charmless for me, even if I had a very good turntable with all the necessary around it. I have a lot of records from before 1980 and I love my turntable for that. All people who buy a Mofi product must feel fooled, even if it sounds "somehow" good. And I believe that if you have only once had a digital step in the chain, leave it digital downstream to the hifi system. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 one has to be careful , since quite a lot of Digital HIRES Files do originate from an Analog Master recording and once they are processed in a digital format , they can be duplicated in either Digital or Analog products . what MOFI are doing is buying Digital HIRES files and they turn it into an analog product which is sort of a surprise to everybody , since it really means that Digital music is on par with Vinyl if one is using the right equipment . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KT88 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 5 hours ago, OO1 said: one has to be careful , since quite a lot of Digital HIRES Files do originate from an Analog Master recording and once they are processed in a digital format , they can be duplicated in either Digital or Analog products . what MOFI are doing is buying Digital HIRES files and they turn it into an analog product which is sort of a surprise to everybody , since it really means that Digital music is on par with Vinyl if one is using the right equipment . I have a slightly different opinion. I would not want to equate HIRES with pure ANALOG. I said that the "analog" MoFi recording converted back from digital could also "somehow" sound good. But if it would be simply (and legalized?) the same then in 20 years no one knows how real analog sounded. That's why I proposed to try how it is when you compare a real analog recording with a MoFi digital processing. If no one can distinguish it, then it becomes just a legal problem of permitted or prohibited process sections when it comes to the question of the truth of the product's claim. But if some people with good ears can repeatably recognize and reliably assign the difference between real analog and MoFi then we have the problem that analog will die out if its manufacturing effort becomes too big and if digital is lied to us as analog (in case all manufacturers would be allowed to act like MoFi). Without comparison and without reference, consumers believe they have bought MoFi analog. The great psychological and emotional consternation of this case is the unconscionable sensory deception. Sorry, just as well it is fraud if someone copies a first class French red wine in his genetic chemistry lab...even if the wine might taste good to many customers...and even if many people could not tell the difference. Nothing to say against the synthetic wine if it tastes good to me and is not unhealthier than real red wine. But I want to know what I'm buying. MoFi is no better than Volkswagen if they don't declare it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 https://mofi.com/blogs/news/mofi-president-jim-davis-addresses-the-digital-lp-mastering-controversy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OO1 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 ......duplicate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 17 hours ago, OO1 said: Digital music is on par with Vinyl if one is using the right equipment . And far superior if one is using the right equipment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornukopia Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 12 hours ago, KT88 said: ... when you compare a real analog recording with a MoFi digital processing. If no one can distinguish it, then it becomes just a legal problem ... when it comes to the question of the truth of the product's claim. This case may prove that people will hear what they want to hear, until they find out it is not what they thought it was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 Confirmation bias? Yes, could well be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1291 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwjones Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Somewhat of a followup & elaboration on the topic is in today's Washington Post. The article includes samples so the reader can A/B digital v. vinyl with headphones. An interesting read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/interactive/2022/perfect-sound-quality-vinyl-records/?itid=hp-top-table-main-t-6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 On 10/3/2022 at 9:11 AM, michaelwjones said: Somewhat of a followup & elaboration on the topic is in today's Washington Post. The article includes samples so the reader can A/B digital v. vinyl with headphones. An interesting read. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/interactive/2022/perfect-sound-quality-vinyl-records/?itid=hp-top-table-main-t-6 But they are both digital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwjones Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Invidiosulus said: But they are both digital. Yeah; they couldn't figure out how to send a turntable with each paper... We recorded these samples in front of Jonathan Weiss’s $363,000 Oswalds Mill Audio (OMA) speakers in his Brooklyn showroom, using a binaural mic and a stereo mic at 32bit_192kHz. The digital file was streamed through an iFi nano iOne home DAC, which has a Bluetooth codec maxing out at 16bit_48kHz. The audio files have been matched post-production to have the same loudness. (Of course, nothing sounds quite like being there.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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