Hamilton Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I love my RC7 but hot damn she doesn't match the KLF20s so hoping someone has the inverse problem with a C7 and some RF series speakers or perhaps ill just buy cash. I'm in southern California so willing to make a reasonable trip. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Haha, thought you were crazy as I have dual RC-7's used as L/R TV speakers. But, it seems others agree with you. See ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Emile said: Haha, thought you were crazy as I have dual RC-7's used as L/R TV speakers. But, it seems others agree with you. See ... Ya I definitely think the RC7 is an incredible speaker but the tone difference in the horn across the fronts is huge. It isn't horrifically noticeable as generally voice doesn't move from center to the sides. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 The RC7 is one of the best reference speakers ever to me. I sold ,at one time, all my reference speakers, but could not part with the RC7, I bought another. I used the RC7 with 20's and 30's. But if your ears tell you different that's all that matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Fish said: The RC7 is one of the best reference speakers ever to me. I sold ,at one time, all my reference speakers, but could not part with the RC7, I bought another. I used the RC7 with 20's and 30's. But if your ears tell you different that's all that matters. With the crossovers and titanium tweeters on the KLF 20s they are considerably more lively where I find now the RC7 is almost muddled by comparison. I know if I had RF5s or RF7s they would be stock and pair up perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Hamilton said: With the crossovers and titanium tweeters on the KLF 20s they are considerably more lively where I find now the RC7 is almost muddled by comparison... Hmm...Could something be wrong with the RC-7? Of course you may have a situation where you notice the tonal difference but when I ran the RC-7 between KLF-20s it definitely didn't sound "muddled." Fwiw, it actually has a larger Compression Driver mated to the horn which I thought made it sound cleaner than the KLF-C7. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Hmm...Could something be wrong with the RC-7? Of course you may have a situation where you notice the tonal difference but when I ran the RC-7 between KLF-20s it definitely didn't sound "muddled." Fwiw, it actually has a larger Compression Driver mated to the horn which I thought made it sound cleaner than the KLF-C7. Well it sounds just fine playing actual movies/media however when doing the receiver test tones there is a pretty big difference. I have SS1s for atmos speakers and they have the dullest tone then the RC7. My KG 5.5 and KLF20s sound almost identical they both have crites tweeters so figured that was the major factor. Wondering what could be wrong with the RC7 then it doesn't crackle or anything like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, Hamilton said: Well it sounds just fine playing actual movies/media however when doing the receiver test tones there is a pretty big difference. I have SS1s for atmos speakers and they have the dullest tone then the RC7. My KG 5.5 and KLF20s sound almost identical they both have crites tweeters so figured that was the major factor. Wondering what could be wrong with the RC7 then it doesn't crackle or anything like that. Dunno. The biggest tonal difference would be between your SS-1s and everything else and not between the rc-7s and KLF-20s, I would think. Not knowing which AVR you have, possibly Audyssey (or other EQ program) addresses any possible mismatch you're hearing on test tones. Anyway, good luck in troubleshooting and if it sounds fine with material you may already be good to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Do you have non factory xover in 20's, as that changes everything? Just curious as I have never heard the RC7 described as muddled. Mine is as clear and powerful as any Ref speaker, certainly way more than a 20 or 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 53 minutes ago, Fish said: Do you have non factory xover in 20's, as that changes everything? Just curious as I have never heard the RC7 described as muddled. Mine is as clear and powerful as any Ref speaker, certainly way more than a 20 or 30. This may be a serious dumbass moment for myself... I've always run my theater with a projector so the center is just square on the floor. Over the years I have upgraded and changed almost every single speaker but with the RC7 it has fuller frequency range so male voices were the main issue. I'm now going to experiment with angling the center towards the listener and possibly make a small platform to even elevate it. Honestly never thought this was a problem but with the wider range of these KLF-20's it was noticeable. Anyways, going to move stuff around a bit see how it goes for improvement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiva Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I sent you a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Hamilton said: I'm now going to experiment with angling the center towards the listener and possibly make a small platform to even elevate it. Dunno how it's positioned now, but DEFINITELY do this. It was designed to set up on top of ab RPTV with back feet to tilt towards th MLP. If it's lower than your KLF-20s and not angled upward towards your LP I can see where you would have a problem...If it's sitting on the floor, that would be a major culprit. EDIT: I skimmed you post and missed this "I've always run my theater with a projector so the center is just square on the floor." 😮 See above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 27 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said: Dunno how it's positioned now, but DEFINITELY do this. It was designed to set up on top of ab RPTV with back feet to tilt towards th MLP. If it's lower than your KLF-20s and not angled upward towards your LP I can see where you would have a problem...If it's sitting on the floor, that would be a major culprit. EDIT: I skimmed you post and missed this "I've always run my theater with a projector so the center is just square on the floor." 😮 See above. I've had this RC7 for maybe 2 years or so and I think it really is highlighting how bad it is. I had an RC3 for a long time before and set the cutoff at 80hz so those deeper voices weren't getting so much data. The tweaking continues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Traveler Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Fwiw, I've had the RC-3 and currently own the KLF-C7 and RC-7. I don't wish to belabor the point but if it's sitting on the floor there's your culprit. If you've followed my advice above and it didn't help then you have a faulty RC-7, imo. Good luck with your troubleshooting and hope you get what you want (although you said "Well it sounds just fine playing actual movies/media"). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 If you can physically accommodate it, you should consider a Heresy II or higher for a center. I used a Heresy II center with my KLF-30 mains for years. (The only reason that I don't anymore is that the system was replaced with a Palladium system.) I find the 3-way Heresy to be a better sonic match for 3-way Legend series than even the KLF-C7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, MMurg said: If you can physically accommodate it, you should consider a Heresy II or higher for a center. I used a Heresy II center with my KLF-30 mains for years. (The only reason that I don't anymore is that the system was replaced with a Palladium system.) I find the 3-way Heresy to be a better sonic match for 3-way Legend series than even the KLF-C7. I like the idea of doing so but I have a 144" screen which is the entire wall and the cause of my poor placement currently. There is a guy on the east coast that disassembled a KLF-20 speaker and built a custom horizontal cabinet for it actually pretty cool stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 You mean like this one that I bought on eBay a long while ago and had in another system for years? 😁 Before you ask, I don't want to sell it. 🙂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hamilton Posted August 30, 2022 Author Share Posted August 30, 2022 Haha ya that seems like the ultimate center channel alright! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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