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I grabbed mine used. Had Steve and the team recertify the lifetime warranty in my name, and quality check with a brand new set of tubes. The original owner also threw in a complete set of Cryotone tubes and a Decware power cord. It was a great deal.

 

I have a UFO25 and a CSP325 on order. I'm on the 12th page of the list so I've got a while to wait. This UFO2.1 is really nice. They don't come up that often, but you have to pounce when they do.

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23 hours ago, 82 Cornwalls said:

 

That's not even close to 100% true IMO/E.

Do you always go to the same restaurant and get the same meal?

 

Yea, I used to go to Houston's specifically for a Hawaiian ribeye once a month before Covid closed it down. Don't get me wrong, it's fun to try new things, but for example, this hifi buff has a new favorite something every three months or so, so he's obviously trying new things but he still no longer even has these after he said he was keeping them. Look at Jay's Audio Lab. The man is always switching gear like he's switching underwear. I think it's nice when you have a good hifi system and get lost in the music instead. I also think a lot of hifi gear is overpriced compared to other gear that sounds equally good and in many cases, actually better.

 

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5 hours ago, jwc said:

I'm on this silly list too #2233 out of #2462.  It's almost like...."hey, everyone else is doing it".

 

I have the stereo unit 2.1 version with anniversary updates and added XLR.  Could be 5 or 6 years before I get mine....if that ever happens.  Heck, I've moved since the order.  Many units will come up for sale on the used market ....so I could have just snatched those.

 

jc

 

Well it's now well over two years.  Yippee, I'm in the low 300s now.  Just one more year, maybe.

 

JC, I hope you eventually really get yours.  Reality says it is like 5 or 6 years out.

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It's amazing what a few youtube videos can do to a companies reputation like Decware. These wait periods are absolutely absurd when there are other fantastic options available but it's like famous pop stars, people just follow the cattle. 

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I haven't seen any videos.  Just going by tremendous online praise.  I'm not sufferin' over here ...............as I have too much electronics not in use .........being eye candy.

 

In my 6 year wait period.....at my current purchase rate, I'll probably plow through many more amps.🤪

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I thought about getting on the list a couple of years ago because I’ve had a Decware amp and really liked it. But my personality won’t allow me to wait even a fraction of that time. Like you said, there are other options that are just as good or better.

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39 minutes ago, jwc said:

I haven't seen any videos.  Just going by tremendous online praise.  I'm not sufferin' over here ...............as I have too much electronics not in use .........being eye candy.

 

In my 6 year wait period.....at my current purchase rate, I'll probably plow through many more amps.🤪

 

 

The true story about all this gossip with Decware and wait lists started specifically because of three youtube channels. Andrew Robinson, the Audiopheliac and Thomas Stereo. Right after those reviews were posted, Decware suddenly started getting mobbed with orders. The problem with this is that there a good number of amazing, small business's who build beautiful tube amps here in America who don't get the credit they deserve. The problem with most of these YouTube channels is that they end up being sellouts, no different than people who blame audio magazines for paid advertising by brands they review. The YouTube channels are no different. 

 

It amazes me how many amazing tube amps are available by other American sources that don't get reviewed by those channels. Instead, they mostly review mainstream products because they've monetized their channels. That's fine, but the problem is the people who close their minds from less popular companies because there's no reviews posted by these YouTube channels. Some of the most amazing things are things you don't know about. Popularity doesn't mean things are necessarily better, but that's what people get sucked into an it's nonsense. Decware make nice amps, don't get me wrong, BUT there are others equally nice if not, better. Look at Kevin's reviews. He's not even remotely in the mainstream, yet reviews tons of great and less popular brands that are amazing. 

http://www.glowinthedarkaudio.com/home.html

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I don't watch video reviews.  I typically read about previous owners.  Just because I'm on this thread, doesn't mean I'm going down one path.  This is all just a fun goof.  I've bought plenty of American stuff  ....I can't buy it all.  Well maybe one day......

 

My buddy is gettin' one on these....so I'm doing it too.  I bought a Transcendent OTL amp once new....just because a friend loved his.  Learned a lot and had fun.  I bought ALL the Juicy Music stuff.  Bought Nosvalve stuff..   Bought AmpsandSounds..... and countless number of McIntosh amps......  All not have even heard before.  No sweat.   Heck, buy some old Mac amps and send to John Warren.

 

If I can get to them all....I will.  Never heard or even seen a Decware product.  Yeah...  I'll stand in line.  No sweat.  Laugh while I do it.

 

Hey Op.  Sorry that amp is hummin' on you.  That Sweetwater product is something to try.  I have a another version of that as well by Rolls.  My best experience has been with Jenson Transformers....when all else fails.  But.... that costs dough.  I have one here waitin' until when my Decware arrives.  I'll keep it dusted with my coaster and bourbon.

 

jc

 

 

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@Idontknow

 

I don't know if I will be able to explain what I mean to you and how our views apparently differ because I'm not going to spend a lot of time on it... edit: okay maybe more than I meant to considering how long this post is. :-)

 

Yes I know there are a number of people like your video guy, but for everyone like him there are others that try different things for knowledge and understanding realizing they are usually making sideways moves or even going a step or two back occasionally.

 

Speaking for myself I don't have to go to others (video reviews or forums etc) to ask what will work for this or that and will I like it because I have enough experience I know what works for me.

 

The majority of my purchases have been used and get sold for not much if any loss. The money saved if I were still using my first system would have been spent on something equally nonessential. ;-)

 

Another forum has quite a few members that bought a system in (insert decade here) when they were young and still use it having never tried much if anything else, more power to them but I have enjoyed a journey of exploration that has been very satisfying and I was very happy with all but a few purchases over the years.

 

Always looking for better was very rarely the basis for something new/different.

 

I know a lot of folks that have done the same with no regrets.

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I generally keep several amps in the rotation and currently each one sounds very good, SS and tube. Each presents different but very good. I picked up a Decware Tori IV about a year ago, it is not in the current lineup. It was also very good, not the most quiet and required a forest of tubes. It wasn’t so much better as to differentiate itself from the rest. I won’t wait 45 minutes at a restaurant let alone 2 years for an amp. But that’s me. Obviously 12 pages of back logged customers feel differently - - 

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Sorry, I haven''t read this whole thread, but has the OP any idea the frequency of this 'hum'?.  I know some Decware stuff can hum a little, which is no big deal normally, but I wonder if there is a room dependent frequency mode which is accentuating the in room Decware hum.

 

I recently moved my gear into a smaller room,  and this room 'featured' a 6 db boost @ 45 Hz!    I've tuned out this peak using my RME ADI-2 Dac's built in equalizer.

 

P.S.  Decware makes some great stuff.  I'm seriously considering ordering the little SE84UFO3 - despite the long wait.

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No, I don't own a Bottlehead - that's on my bucket list when (and if) I retire.  Still a pipe dream.  I've never owned a Decware amplifier either.  One or other will be paired with AK6s which is also in my wish list for next year.

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