Moderators dtel Posted November 22, 2024 Moderators Share Posted November 22, 2024 Very good review MMurg, also accurate, thanks for the pictures. Also thanks JWC for the pictures and it was nice to see you and Mark. It was nice to see everyone else also, a big part of what makes these things fun for me. And of course Chief Bonehead or even Chef Bonehead at times did great job as usual with another new design, well done. Much more bass to the LaScala, just what it needed + new horns/drivers for a total improvement in a big way, PWK would definitely approve. ps, I like the active 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikecan Posted November 24, 2024 Share Posted November 24, 2024 Can you please explain in layman terms what a triamp DSP is? More importantly, what would I need to purchase to get this great sound? We watch a lot of movies as well as listen to music so ideally I want something straightforward to use The pictures look like he has something he made himself which is way above my ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted November 25, 2024 Author Share Posted November 25, 2024 3 hours ago, Mikecan said: Can you please explain in layman terms what a triamp DSP is? More importantly, what would I need to purchase to get this great sound? We watch a lot of movies as well as listen to music so ideally I want something straightforward to use The pictures look like he has something he made himself which is way above my ability The new La Scala will ship with a traditional passive crossover network like the current version. An available option will be an active DSP crossover. This will split the signals for the tweeter, squawker (midrange), and woofer at line level, before amplification. Therefore, you will need three channels of amplification (triamp) for each speaker. This configuration sounds far superior to the using the passive crossovers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 I am curious as to how the sound of the new active AL6 compares to the Frankenstein referred to as the "Jubescala". I know this isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but I would interest in hearing what your impression/comparison between the 2. This may be the all the explanation I needed. "The sound was as close to the Heritage Jubilee sound as I’ve heard from any other Heritage speaker" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 16 hours ago, MMurg said: The new La Scala will ship with a traditional passive crossover network like the current version. Ohw really??. I thought that the AL6 was active only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted November 25, 2024 Author Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 hour ago, Flevoman said: Ohw really??. I thought that the AL6 was active only. Roy's original intention was DSP only. However, others thought it might hurt sales to require tramping. So, Roy did passive networks as well. However, in my opinion, using the new La Scala with the passive networks would be a colossal mistake. The passive and active configurations don't even sound like the same speakers. The triamp DSP configuration is far better sounding. It's not even close. I imagine this will be the same with the new Klipschorn. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flevoman Posted November 25, 2024 Share Posted November 25, 2024 And do you have heard both type of speakers? Active and the passive version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted November 25, 2024 Author Share Posted November 25, 2024 1 hour ago, Flevoman said: And do you have heard both type of speakers? Active and the passive version? Yes, Roy demoed both configurations at the recent class. Go back to the first post in this thread. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwc Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 I was there too and I agree with everything Murg said. The active and the passive are notably different. I like the active. Many many years ago when the underground jube became available, in the same room I've heard many renditions of passives versus the active. There were some times there where I like the passive better and they were very similar to the active. However with this demonstration, the differences were obvious. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1101 Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 No matter..........GET THE SUB. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted November 26, 2024 Share Posted November 26, 2024 Were there ANY filters/treatment being applied with the dsp vesus the passives? Or did everyone forget to ask... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted November 26, 2024 Author Share Posted November 26, 2024 3 minutes ago, Schu said: Were there ANY filters/treatment being applied with the dsp vesus the passives? Or did everyone forget to ask... Roy said there are various PEQs, etc. being applied in the DSP to get very flat frequency response and good phase response. What those are and how many there are were not revealed at the class. (This was also never revealed for the Heritage Jubilee. I assume they consider this trade secret information.) Roy attempted to implement as many of these in as he could in the passive network as was practical within the size and cost considerations. The new passive network is so large it had to be split into two boards whereas the AL5 network is only one. However, he could only do part of that was done in the DSP, and he also could not do the driver time alignment that's possible with the DSP. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccs Posted November 30, 2024 Share Posted November 30, 2024 With the dsp, does it take the analogue signal from the preamp, then convert it to digital, and after processing, then use a dac to convert it back to analogue to send the signal to the amps? If that is the case, will that essentially remove or dilute any tube warmth and expanded soundstage that asystem might be getting from a tube preamplifier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfredo Prada Posted December 1, 2024 Share Posted December 1, 2024 Yes, I does convert the analog to Digital (Digital Signal Processor) to handle delay, EQ, polarity, level, etc. so it is a ADC and DAC converter. I must have good converters. And yes adding another conversion is the subject of discussion here. There is the option of passive crossover of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxie Posted December 4, 2024 Share Posted December 4, 2024 Will the DSP Crossover Kit have an option for a digital input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMurg Posted December 4, 2024 Author Share Posted December 4, 2024 2 hours ago, boxie said: Will the DSP Crossover Kit have an option for a digital input? I don't know. The question didn't come up at the class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxie Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 So glad Klipsch is doing this. Some simple DSP work would really help the AK6s reach their full potential (which I believe to be significant). I was going to venture off and build a dsp kit myself before finding this thread. Can't wait until its available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babadono Posted December 5, 2024 Share Posted December 5, 2024 1 hour ago, boxie said: build a dsp kit myself before finding this thread If you want one YOU can adjust you must DIY. Plenty of good DSP units avail. for around $500 to 600 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted December 7, 2024 Klipsch Employees Share Posted December 7, 2024 That mid horn is getting smaller and Roy's mid is getting bigger... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schu Posted December 7, 2024 Share Posted December 7, 2024 Is Roy around? Only in the middle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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